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Indiana basketball: has this been easy?

BLOOMINGTON, IN - DECEMBER 19:  Tom Crean the head coach of the Indiana Hoosiers gives instructions to his team during the game against the Howard Bison at Assembly Hall on December 19, 2011 in Bloomington, Indiana.  Indiana won 107-50.  (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

IU is now 23 games into the season and beyond the halfway point of the Big Ten season, and after a long wait, the first Indiana-Purdue game of the season is upon us. I'll have more to say about the basketball matchup tomorrow. For today, the fan dynamic is the interesting part. IU hasn't defeated Purdue in nearly four calendar years. The Boilermakers enjoy a 5-game winning streak over IU, their longest since the early 1970s. Purdue has been vastly more successful than IU over the last three seasons and stands a reasonable chance of being better than IU this year, particularly in light of the last couple of weeks. In such a rosy scenario, only Purdue fans could find a way to consider themselves the aggrieved party. Because "Clappy the Clown" jokes aren't as cutting this year, apparently the new meme is that IU has not suffered enough for its sins:

Purdue is desperate to prove that Indiana hasn't passed them. Our fans are both tired about hearing how they're back and honestly, some are a little bitter that they can decimate their own program via cheating, yet suddenly come back like its nothing and pass us when we saw years of hard work lost because of injuries at the absolute worst time. Mackey Arena is going to be a very hostile place for them on February 4th.

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Got that? IU was able to "suddenly come back like it’s nothing." Never mind that the last three seasons comprised three of the worst seasons in program history, and unquestionably the worst three year run in program history. Never mind that the upperclassmen on this team, particularly Tom Pritchard, Verdell Jones III, Daniel Moore, Matt Roth, Jordan Hulls, Christian Watford, and Derek Elston, were thrown to the wolves whether ready or not, and spent their time as underclassmen getting horsewhipped by better teams and more experienced players, gaining the experience that had allowed them to emerge as a respectable team this season. So, if you are one of the many devoted IU fans who helped IU finish #12 in the country in attendance last year, toughing it out during IU's third consecutive 20 loss season, apparently it was "like nothing."

I don't want to make light of the Kelvin Sampson disgrace. I didn't make light of it when it was ongoing. Here's one of several posts I wrote at the time:

So, where am I on this? Pretty damn depressed. I wasn't thrilled when IU hired Sampson, but the more I saw of him, the more impressed I became. My hope was that after a rough start and some bad publicity, Sampson would have a successful 15-year run at IU, with one or more championships, and would leave with a clean NCAA record and with his personal reputation and IU's reputation intact. Now, that's never going to happen. Sampson is always going to be under the umbrella of suspicion, and so, by extension, will IU, for as long as he's here. I, like most IU fans, took great pride in IU's status as one of the slim minority of major athletic programs without any major violations in recent decades. It's not clear that IU will be put on probation for these offenses, but it's going to be a close call. My estimation of Sampson's ceiling at IU is much lower than it was two days ago. As it stands, I would be surprised if Sampson is still at IU five years from now. As I may have said yesterday, and as I have thought many times in the last 18 months, all we really wanted was for IU basketball to be fun again. This isn't fun. I'm not going to call for Sampson's termination at this point, but if the inevitable NCAA investigation reveals more, I certainly may come around to that viewpoint.

To be clear, I wrote that after IU's initial public report of the "three way call" issues in October 2007, not after the release of the much more damning NCAA report was produced in February 2008, the details of which made Sampson's prompt termination for cause a no-brainer. Still, at its foundation, the phone call issues were, after all, phone call issues. I believe that the only improper benefits that surfaced in the investigation were Derek Elston's receipt of a T-shirt and a backpack, deemed a secondary violation by the NCAA and apparently a function of the Elston family's long friendship with former IU assistant and current Michigan assistant Jeff Meyer.

Let's consider some of the more recent scandals in major college athletics. In 2008, the same year that IU blew up its program while in the midst of its best season in 15 years, Memphis rode to the NCAA title game on the back of a player who a) was academically ineligible and b) whose brother received thousands of dollars worth of free flights on the team charter. In the last three seasons, Memphis has two NCAA bids and one NIT bid, and the coach at the time, John Calipari, got a better job at Kentucky. Then there is Tennessee, where Bruce Pearl committed NCAA violations and lied about it. Tennessee knew about Pearl's lies in September 2010, but the Vols weren't about to blow up a good season. Tennessee fired Pearl after the 2011 NCAA Tournament, where the Vols lost to Michigan in the round of 64. After the 2004 season, Ohio State's coach was fired for paying a player. The Buckeyes were back in the NCAAs with new coach Thad Matta by 2006.

Again, I'm ashamed that IU took a gamble on a coach with a checkered past and very disappointed that it was allowed to happen again at IU. But the history of college basketball is littered with programs that have committed far greater offenses and have paid far lesser prices than what IU has paid for the only NCAA blemish in the program's history. I don't blame the NCAA for what has happened to the IU program over the last three seasons. That had much more to do with Sampson's low academic and behavioral standards for the program than with anything related to the sanctions imposed by the NCAA. But the only reason IU's "comeback" is a big story is because IU, chastened by the Sampson incident, elected to start with a clean slate. When he got the job in April 2008, Crean could have made excuses and cut corners for Armon Bassett, Eli Holman, Jamarcus Ellis, and DeAndre Thomas. He could have coddled Jordan Crawford. But he didn't. He decided to start over, at much risk to his own reputation and career. A coach who had never had a losing season in his first 9 seasons as a head coach, who had never lost more than 14 games in a season, who had not lost more than 12 games in a season in the seven years before he came to IU, lost 25, 21, and 20 games, respectively, in his first three seasons at IU.

I certainly agree that the Sampson era is a deserved blot on IU's reputation, and shouldn't be forgotten. But it's not the defining moment in our program's history. I reject the notion that IU, its fans, its players, and its coaches somehow have not suffered enough, considering the nature of the offense. As an alumnus, I didn't get a vote on the Sampson hire. It was foisted on the IU community by a feckless president and a couple of rogue trustees, over the objection of an athletic director who wasn't strong enough to stop it. Here's who had nothing to do with the Sampson hiring or any of the offenses committed under his watch:

  • Tom Crean;
  • Current IU president Michael McRobbie;
  • Current athletic director Fred Glass;
  • any of the current players;
  • any of the current assistant coaches;
  • the fans and alumni.
It's unfortunate but inevitable that the fallout of scandals affects both the innocent and the guilty. The alternative, for the NCAA, is not doing anything at all. Ultimately, the current players and coaches and the alumni and fans, none of whom did anything wrong, have paid the bulk of the price for what happened during the Sampson era. Don't let the Purdue fans get you down. The price has been paid, and then some. Enjoy the improvement with a clear conscience, IU fans.

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Eh, I think the comment about hard work was taken slightly out of context.

I think it was more along the lines of Purdue being the star program in the state during that time yet it got hit with injuries to a key player three years in a row (back and 2 ACL’s). I’m not angry IU is back. I’m just a little sad as a Purdue fan that the typical terrible luck of Purdue teams with injuries took away what could have been a fantastic ending for a magical season.

by herby20 on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

they can't have it both ways.

Either we were awful the last 3 years and our play was embarrassing and we sucked and a bunch of little girls could’ve beaten us AND we paid our dues or else we were actually really decent and we didn’t suffer at all for the Sampson incidents. Not both.

Also, screw Purdue and what they think. They define themselves solely based on how good they are relative to IU. That’s sad but it’s a curve which they sometimes can pass. It’s a test they passed for 3 years in a row now. But oh no! They might not do it this year and so they’re angry. Grrr! That’s why they’re upset. Has nothing to do with whether or not we paid our dues.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 2, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Total plus-one pwnage. Purdue nerdrage knows no boundaries this time of year.

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 3, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I feel it's worth noting that "decimate" means "to reduce by ten percent".

Considering that in the fall of 2008 IU returned players who played only 30 total minutes from its roster the previous year, you can’t call that “decimation.” That’s “obliteration.” “Annhilation.” “Devastation.” “Defenestration.” “Immolation.” The English language is full of delightful words just waiting for you to use them properly!

Honestly, I’m more annoyed that this writer (and, to be fair, most writers nowadays) can’t seem to use a dictionary than that the Purdue fanbase thinks Indiana should never get to play good basketball ever again.

A sassy, brassy, classy lassy.

by LoneStarHoosier on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Please don't lump us all together

Much like everyone on this site doesn’t like it when Purdue fans mention how ALL IU fans are claiming “We’re Back”, Purdue fans get the same whenever one blog disses IU.

I don’t think the rationale Purdue fans thing Indiana doesn’t deserve to play good basketball. Ignoring the fact that the statement is pretty ridiculous (how can you really say a school doesn’t deserve to play good bball…), it’s the sensationalist minority that would actually wish something like this.

Obviously, as a Purdue fan, I’m all for Purdue winning every game against IU. But that doesn’t mean I want IU to always suck. Actually, (in my little dream scenario) if Purdue was always winning, I’d want the best damn IU team that existed. I’d rather have years and years of actual competitive games between the two than a year after year blowout of one over the other. That’s just boring.

by AustinP0027 on Feb 2, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And I completely agree.

I want Indiana basketball to be great, and I want Indiana University basketball to be the best. But I like it (is that really a good word?) when Purdue is good, because then when we beat them it’s that much more awesome.

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by Thomas Wachtel on Feb 2, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Defenestration is an underused word.

That’s probably a good thing though I guess, I don’t want too many people jumping/being thrown through windows.

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by Thomas Wachtel on Feb 2, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

In John's defense,

My Webster’s also defines “decimate” as “to destroy a large part of”. Also, “defenestration” does not really fit (as Thomas Wachtel pointed out), and “immolation” means “to offer in sacrifice”.

I actually thought the article was very well written, and especially liked the use of “feckless”, one of my favorite little used words.

As for the game, I just think IU is better this year by just enough that they take this one by 3.

by My 2 Cents on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry,

I just realized that you were referring to the PU blog, not this article. My bad.

by My 2 Cents on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No prob. Although, I would argue that "defenestration" is a pretty good descriptor of what happened in 2008.

IU threw everything (coaches, players, administrators, tournament expectations for that year and following years) out the window to start all over again.

A sassy, brassy, classy lassy.

by LoneStarHoosier on Feb 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, John. I think you're making too much out of a superficial statement by that writer.

His main goal was just to rant about Purdue’s luck, and that line about IU’s “decimation” read to me to be more of a half hearted sideswipe than an intentionally dire insult. While I’d be right with you to tell people that the past few years were the polar opposite of “nothing” for us, I’d also just shrug a statement like his off as just being sour about his team’s luck. It’s not like he dwelt on IU’s Sampson chapter for any more than those couple of lines.

So, glib, kneejerk, and ill-thought? Certainly. But deeply wounding? Not really. Not when he’s as much admitting the consensus about Purdue’s status outside Purdue fans (“Purdue is desperate to prove that Indiana hasn’t passed them…”) and spending more time complaining about injuries and timing than on elaborating on IU.

That statement I wouldn’t let myself get worked up over. A simple “It was far from nothing” is more than enough response..

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"First they came for the ugly, and I did not speak out because I was not ugly.
Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because D&D IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYERBASE OK MOM???
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because let's be real they always come for the Jews.
Then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually came for me back when they came for the nerds."

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by E.M.H. on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, I’m not deeply wounded. I’m just amused at the pivot from “Crean sux and IU will suck forever” to “hey…that was too easy!”

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Feb 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that I'll laugh at right alongside you.

There is zero easy about all this. This year included, despite it being a good one.

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"First they came for the ugly, and I did not speak out because I was not ugly.
Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because D&D IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYERBASE OK MOM???
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because let's be real they always come for the Jews.
Then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually came for me back when they came for the nerds."

--
"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."

Roger Ebert, Transformers review.

by E.M.H. on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah to answer your question

this was not too easy. In fact, as a relatively new IU fan this has been excruciating. It is super hard to watch bad teams as a Colts fan, Diamondbacks fan, IU fan and Pacers fan it is not easy.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Wrong facts

The NCAA investigation of Memphis showed that Reggie Rose failed to reimburse the University of Memphis for ONE flight. ALL of the other flights were reimbursed. ONE flight is hardly thousands of dollars… way to sensationalize to make your point.

by Waitin' on 8 on Feb 2, 2012 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Yes.

And similarly, it has earned every win of the turnaround this year. I just hope Purdue fans don’t blame it on their “woe-is-me” luck and injuries should IU roll into Mackey Arena and pimp-slap some Boilermakers from one end of the court to the other.

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 3, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Right. Just like Purdue totally earned two Final Fours and a National Title but cruelly had them stolen away by fate when Hummel got injured.

As if the NCAA was all ready to just hand them to Purdue when he was healthy and they wouldn’t have to, you know, actually play and win the games. And we all know they TOTALLY would have won it all with the addition of just one healthy guy, and there were no other good teams from 2008 to 2011. What a tragedy of our modern times.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Feb 3, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Given the way they have stepped on their cranks every time they had a #1 seed, I would think that Purdue fans would be the last people in the world to think that a strong regular season guarantees a strong tournament performances. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Feb 3, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we were guaranteed one.

But Purdue was playing incredible basketball at the right time for once when Robbie got hurt. Purdue had the most wins over top 10 teams that season, and were undefeated when they played a team that was in the top 10 at the time. I don’t think it would be as easy as many people seem to think, but I definitely think Purdue had a pretty decent chance at a final four and possibly a championship had Hummel remained healthy.

If IU wins it is because they are a better team. I honestly think they are this year since Purdue’s ex-role players now have to step up and they don’t seem capable of that on a consistent basis.

by herby20 on Feb 3, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t consider IU to be a “victim,” but my article was in response to the suggestion that IU hasn’t suffered enough. First, that’s nonsense compared to how other programs have suffered for similar or more serious incidents, and second, virtually no one who is still associated with the university had anything to do with the offenses in the first place.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Feb 3, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It's like little brother syndrome

Growing up in Michigan, you get it with Michigan and MSU in football. UM has the history (Bo, most wins, etc.), MSU doesn’t. UM fans/alums are worried about national titles and beating Ohio State, while MSU fans/alums are obsessed with Michigan and the perceived favoritism everybody pays them.

As an IU alum, it seems similar here. Purdue will never have the history IU (a traditional “blue blood” program up there with UNC, Kansas, UK, etc.) does. And as fans, we want nothing more than a return to being nationally relevant, while it seems Purdue’s identity is linked to how it stands in relation to IU.

An opinion from 30,000 feet, perhaps, but does that sound accurate?

by CoreyMichaelDC on Feb 3, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Except MSU doesn't have a sizable lead against Michigan head-to-head.

I honestly could care less how IU is doing. I would trade 10 years of Purdue losing to IU if we won a few titles. The positive would be titles and STILL leading IU in the head-to-head record :P

But really, I am from out of state so can’t speak for everyone at Purdue, but titles and final fours are more important to me than beating IU.

by herby20 on Feb 3, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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