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Hoosiers 88, Penn State 82: With Letdowns like this, who needs losses?

First of all, apologies for the late recap. I have a bevy of excuses that none of you are interested in hearing.

The game at Penn State was most definitely a trap game. Especially after what Penn State did to Purdue a mere three days prior. Penn State was coming in with all the confidence that screams upset while Indiana was coming off three straight high emotion games against ranked opponents. A let down would not have been surprising. Luckily Indiana was able to pull out the victory to go along with a let down.

It was expected that the Hoosiers might come out a little flat to begin the game, but no one expected it to extend past halftime. It did exactly that however. All the starters had to play significant minutes in a game that should have been over from the whistle. Why do you ask? Defense and rebounding that is why. The Hoosiers never really showed that high pressure grit that they have throughout most of the season. The guards let their men drive right by them, the bigs failed to rotate over to help on several occasions and it felt like everyone forgot to block out.

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Ryan Corazza of Inside The Hall pointed out that Indiana did indeed hold PennState significantly below their offensive rebounding average but it sure as heck didn’t feel like it. PennState outrebounded the Hoosiers by only one, but beat them on the offensive glass 9-4. Some of that was bad bounces and some of that was just a failure to be strong with the ball when securing the rebound. I lost count how many times a Hoosier man was in position for the rebound only to have it stripped away by the Lions because he did secure it with two hands. It was tough to watch, but that wasn’t the only failure.

Tim Frazier abused the perimeter guards non-stop in this game. He was able to slash seemingly at will and cause so much disruption in the lane that PennState wound up with a layup or free throws. Part of that reason for being picked apart is Tim Frazier being as Tom Crean said it, "the most underrated player in the country." BUT if Vic especially wants to make the leap from good defender to elite, he has to be able to slow that caliber of guard down. Luckily for Oladipo another really good defender in Lewis Jackson for Purdue was absolutely owned for 40 minutes in the previous game. It shouldn’t give Vic’s rep too much of a hit to get beat by the B1G’s best guard.

As for the positives in the game, the glaring one that needs to be covered in the three point shooting, it was absolutely insane. Dick Vitale was right when he said Hulls shooting a three is as automatic as a layup. In fact, after Hulls got a layup shoved back down his throat in this game, I’d venture to say his three point shot is more of a gimme than his layups. In the first half Hulls was 5-5 (not counting the last second heave that he missed) from downtown and it wasn’t of just the catch and shoot variety. Of his 5 first half threes, two were created off his own dribble, one was catch and shoot, one was in transition and the fifth was off a ball screen. He can hit anywhere, anytime and in any manner.

As hot as Hulls was in the first, Roth was in the second. He in turn hit 5-6 from downtown in his rotation into the lineup and was the big reason that Verdell Jones only played 18 minutes. Crean played the hot hands and it finished with a team record in percentage and one shy of the quantity record, 16-24 from three point land. Anyone that tells you Indiana was lucky to hit 9-15 to beat Kentucky has no idea what they’re talking about.

As a whole it was an ugly game but the results worked out. Anytime a team shoots as well as Indiana did it should be a blowout, but if a six point win is the results of a letdown game I’ll take it. Cody Zeller and Christian Watford were both able to take some the burden off their shoulders and only had to contribute ten points apiece, while Hulls and Roth were pouring in 28 and 22 respectively. Now it is on to the next one where the Hoosiers will try and extend their conference record to 4-1 at home against Minnesota on the 12th.

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Not so fun fact: IU is scoring 1.09 points per possession, which is first in the B1G.

They are also allowing 1.11 points per possession, which is last in the B1G.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 9, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

in B1G play correct?

cause I don’t believe that last one for the full season.

If it is in conference play only then sure, but that defensive number is likely to progress now that some of the big games are out of the way. You have to remember that the average Pomeroy rating four our conference games so far is 39. Penn State’s rating of 121 being the outlier. Before the PSU game the average over 3 games was 12. The average Pomeroy rating of the teams we play from here on out is 71, with NC Central being the outlier at 232.

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by JustAJ on Jan 9, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

for(((

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by JustAJ on Jan 9, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that's for conference play.

Still, giving up 82 to Penn State is not going to help that number much. It will be interesting to see how the numbers change when Sheehey comes back.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 9, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

no giving up 82 to Penn State is atrocious

hoping that is also the outlier that skews the stat line in the wrong direction.

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by JustAJ on Jan 9, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Correction... Getting beat by 20 to Penn State is atrocious.

Giving up 82 is a defensive letdown. Penn State was still in the 60s with just a minute and change left, which is normal, but giving up 13 points to close out is ugly. Road wins in the Big Ten are a luxury even @ Penn State. Granted, this team has been playing well so being that porous on D isn’t a positive that’s for sure. Racking up 88 on the road despite some off nights from starters is a good sign though.

Credit Penn State for clawing back every time IU pulled away. Foul trouble kept some key players minutes in check, Zeller notably (24 minutes?), which impacted the flow of the game and the post for sure (Off Reb: 9 to 4 for PSU).

Roth and Hulls… seriously? A shooting clinic.

Crazy Ass Stats of the Day:
Hulls was 7-9 from 3 pt range… and 7-9 from the FT line.
Hulls + Roth were a combined 13 of 15 from 3!
The team shot 67% on 24 3 pointers
Made 16 3s and only 8 2s

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by XLI on Jan 9, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't realize the last minute close out problem

missed the last 10 minutes or so.

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by JustAJ on Jan 9, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The last three minutes or so it was bucket for PSU, free throws for IU

or thereabouts. That was especially the case for the last minute and a half, where PSU started fouling and shaving minutes off of my life.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 9, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Defense

I did not get a chance to catch anything other than the last three minutes of the game. First point, and then I’ll get off of it: that was perhaps the worst officiated three-minute segment of basketball I have ever seen. I c ould not believe the contact that they were letting Penn State get away with on their pressure.

Regarding the defense: how much of the problem today can be attributed to the fact that Roth got so many minutes? You take the good — dead eye from deep for 22 points today, which is what Penn State was giving us, I understand — with the bad — he’s a defensive liability. And if you have him and Hulls on the court at the same time, you create a lot of opportunities to get an A+ shooter an open look from beyond the arc. But you have two below-average defenders on the court at the same time, at the same position. You could play zone, but Penn State had just lit up Purdue with some hot outside shooting.

Or was it something else entirely?

by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 9, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

It seemed to me that Penn State was scoring at will in the paint.

Watford, Oladipo and Elston were non-factors defensively and offensively. I wonder if there was a concious decision made that Tim Frazier would get his points around the rim no matter what, and that it would be better to just let him go and avoid giving the foul, while simultaneously exploiting the Lions’ vulnerable 3-pt. defense, thereby trading twos for threes.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 9, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

frazier was a beast.

And you’re right. IU seemed content to give him the 2 points. I might get some flak for saying this but I wish someone (elston, maybe?) would have delivered some hard fouls to Frazier to make him think twice about driving the lane. Towards the end the ‘ole’ defense with Frazier became ridiculous. Everyone was afraid they’d get called for a foul if they got anywhere near him so they just backed off. That can’t happen again. Especially at O$U.

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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 9, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The real turning point in that 3-minute stretch at the end

was when instead of going for another two, PSU took a chance on a three at the start of their possession after more free throws from IU. The three-pointer missed, and Hulls (I think) was immediately fouled, and suddenly it was a six-point lead rather than just four. I think they had to take the chance with that three, because I think they figured out that fouling Roth and Hulls was never going to lead to the vital FT misses they needed to draw even or pull ahead. The fact that IU was able to force a miss from 3 gives me hope that teh failure to defend inside was in some part strategic and not just horrible defense on display.

Or maybe the shooter just missed that 3 and IU had little to do with it. Could be that too.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 9, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That was Nick Colella with 15 seconds left.

I suppose I should actually look at the box before I start bloviating.

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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

IU and PSU made all 16 of their last 16 free throws

think Butler is jealous? Those guys are terrible at free throws!

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Jan 9, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Defensive choices and turnovers

I’m sure Crean wanted to shut down the threes from any except Frazier for PSU, especially after the Lions torched Purdue. But interior defense is a concern of mine for IU.

AJ and others during the game thread mention a lack of focus or effort at times. And I certainly trust that’s true, not getting a chance to watch the game yet. I also wonder, after Purdue fans savaged the Boiler players for just standing around on offense and jacking threes, if that’s not exactly what Chambers is making his opponents choose to do. Pack the lane and hope your foes miss enough threes to stay in the game. It’s worked pretty well thus far.

My real concern with this game is that the Lions turned ball over just 9 times on 71 possessions. Isn’t that the strength of the Hoosier defense? The fact that PSU won the turnover battle 22-9 really worries me, despite the win. Rebounding’s an easy one to get worried about, but the fact that a game that should be one of our easiest road wins made a mincemeat pie of our signature defense is something that should be a red flag.

by Devin S. on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Rolls

Roth and Hulls were unbelievable. My favorite moment-watching Calbert Cheaneys reaction when Roth caught the crosscourt pass from Hulls and BURIED a 3 right in front of the IU bench. He was STOKED. It was classic.

by Hoopsdoc7 on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

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