The Rise of Verdell Jones III or Defending the Re-Emergence of Good Verdell
It is no secret that the Indiana Hoosiers have struggled entering into conference play. They let two games go that should have been wins in Minnesota and Nebraska and then have had to face Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin on the road to equal their five losses. No doubt, asking
The much maligned senior PG has been eviscerated by the IU faithful across message boards for the better part of the season and many have laid most of the blame of the Hoosiers’ current struggles at Verdell’s feet. However, taking a closer look at the number shows that placing so much blame on his shoulders is hardly fair. The big complaint about Jones seems to be that he just can’t handle the PG duties. The way many talk about him you’d think his assist to turnover ratio was in the dump. It isn’t. Jones’ performance in taking care of the ball and distributing it isn’t anything special to write home about, (his ratio is 1.36 assists to every turnover) but it is far from backbreaking.
In fact, Jones leads all
Jones is having what I would consider to be a mediocre conference season but is distributing the ball very well. He has 27 total conference turnovers, but 18 of them have come in the first five games. Since then he has only committed 9 in the final five. Now let’s make the assumption that good Verdell has shown up for good, like he has in the last several games. What does good Verdell provide this team that it has been missing all season and drastically needs? A slashing PG. Jones has found some confidence and has been getting to the basket with authority over the last two games.
Last night, Jones dropped 14 points on
The same would have gone for the game in
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Verdell isn’t a great distributor, but as you note, he has been much better in recent weeks, and he’s also the best guy on the team at creating his own shot.
It’s really heartening that we got to 103 last night without a three point flurry and without much offensive production from Hulls. If Verdell, Elston, and Pritchard can continue to play well, we’re going to be in good shape.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions
Good, good piece, J-AJ.
I think the point made here needs some proselytization. IU managed to beat Kentucky with some seriously insane 3 point shooting (among other things) and has managed to use long range shooting to its advantage, BUT… a really good team also manages to distribute the ball and get its points not by hot shooting but by good execution of the offense.
Measuring assists is a great way to measure execution. Otherwise, it’s all about individual players doing things on their own. This isn’t necessarily bad at times, but it’s vulnerable to being shut down by a good defense. Assists helps measure team play to an extent. And seeing Verdell be one of the most responsible at promoting team play is something that just needs to be hammered home.
In a season of watching the offense stand around the 3 point arc multiple times a game – and that’s even on a good night – it’s a ray of goodness to see someone have a stat that speaks towards promoting real team play. And that’s why I think the point needs to be evangelized among the fans. They only see the turnovers. Yes, those are bad, and there are no excuses for them, but they’re not the sum total of Jones III’s play.
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Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because D&D IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYERBASE OK MOM???
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because let's be real they always come for the Jews.
Then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually came for me back when they came for the nerds."
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This
They only see the turnovers. Yes, those are bad, and there are no excuses for them, but they’re not the sum total of Jones III’s play.
Is good. The turnovers are aggravating. And one thing that stats won’t tell you is the “weight” of a turnover: when it occurs in a game, what the score was, how it affected momentum. And, honestly, Verdell’s turnovers have not been that weighty, in my opinion. But my beef with VJ3 has not been the lack of assists, it’s the number of turnovers.
One thing that’s not often noted about Jones is that his sins are sins of commission, not omission. He hustles and gets after it. He may make some bad decisions with the ball, but he’s not a slacker. That I could not forgive.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know, you're right, and I hadn't thought of that.
…his sins are sins of commission, not omission. He hustles and gets after it. He may make some bad decisions with the ball, but he’s not a slacker.
That’s a damn good point. People are pissed at him too much for throwing a boneheaded play here and there, but dammit, he’s at least making that mistake at full steam and with the intent of doing good.
I think I’m going to steal your sentence there for other forums and discussions. It needs to be said.
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"First they came for the ugly, and I did not speak out because I was not ugly.
Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because D&D IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYERBASE OK MOM???
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because let's be real they always come for the Jews.
Then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually came for me back when they came for the nerds."
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
It's not plagiarism if you have permission
And you have mine. Spread the word, brother.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
The omission/commission thing is a great point. And a related point is that Verdell’s turnovers generally come on plays that constitute his role on the team. Verdell has done a great job this year of knowing his role. For instance, if he takes anything other than a wide open three, the response would be: “if we have to settle for that shot, it should be Hulls/Roth/Watford/Sheehey.” But he hasn’t done much of that this year. There isn’t a similar player to fit into the sentence: “it should be X who is driving and dishing in that instance.” He may not be a great option, but he’s our best option, and has been very unselfish this year for the most part.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
As a side note: I hope that someone shows him this piece as well as our comments here.
Let him know that there are folks out there who do look a little beneath the surface, and realizes what he contributes to the team.
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"First they came for the ugly, and I did not speak out because I was not ugly.
Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because D&D IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYERBASE OK MOM???
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because let's be real they always come for the Jews.
Then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually came for me back when they came for the nerds."
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
I love this piece
just about as much as I love VJ3 and Tommy Pritchard. I’m the only one in my group of friends who vehemently defends Verdell and I appreciate this type of analysis so I can bust it out at the appropriate times. Saying, “most of what VJ3 does for this team doesn’t show up on his stat line.” over and over again isn’t all that effective.
Bravo, kind sir. Bravo.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 1:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, but assists is a stat. (*flees*)

… LOLOLOL…
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"First they came for the ugly, and I did not speak out because I was not ugly.
Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because D&D IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYERBASE OK MOM???
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because let's be real they always come for the Jews.
Then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually came for me back when they came for the nerds."
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
but good individual D isn't.
Verdell is an underrated defender. And AJ illustrates above that his assist to TO ratio isn’t BAD. It just isn’t amazing. If all Verdell did was distribute then I’d take issue w his assist number. Fortunately he is a scoring threat too. His defender always needs to stay on him and sometimes he draws 2 (while driving) which sometimes gets him an assist, but more often results in a pass-pass-pass-layup scenario. So he doesn’t get credited with the assist but he started the chain reaction that led to the bucket. Is that too much of a stretch? Did I lose everyone?
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh and also
I think Verdell needs to have perfect games anymore for people to not criticize him. He played a great 1st half in Madison and then had an average 2nd half and all the sudden he had a “shitty” game. It’s getting to be ridiculous.
I can hardly imagine how good he’d be if he got more encouragement from everyone in AH.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 1:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"if Cody Zeller was allowed to take two steps onto the court before being whistled for unnecessary tallness"
rec’d
Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I've already said this
but if CZ gets hosed at Purdue like he did at Madison I’m gonna go Super Saiyan level 3.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
if that happens i might travel to W. Lafayette and burn it down myself
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why would you want to help beautify the campus?
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by JustAJ on Jan 30, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he could poison a bunch of beautiful, mature trees on the Purdue campus like that psycho Alabama fan did at Auburn, but that would require the existence of a stand of mature trees on the campus.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 30, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Can one poison concrete?
WRITTEN IN THE STAAAAARS, A MILLION MILES AWAAAAAAY
I write about the Arsenal for The Short Fuse.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 30, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
better yet, can you burn concrete?
alas, a foil to my plan!
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by danorocks17 on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Purdue:
The only campus in the world that looks the exact same in May as it does in January.
Perhaps it’s purposeful. The administrators don’t want to give the students any reason to leave the library. Nature and beauty are shunned. Engineering and efficiency reign supreme!
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nah.
Cause then they’d get media attention. I like living in a world where Purdue gets zero coverage outside of w. Lafayette and no one outside of the B1G even knows what state it’s in.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mentioned Purdue to my freshman roommate when I was in New Jersey
his exact words, “isn’t that in Illinois?”
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
Hey, now. It’s considered an “Ivy League school” by people who don’t know jack shit about either the Ivy League or Purdue.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
obviously
it’s 6 way tie for #62 in the nation is leaps better than IU’s 7 way tie for #75. That 8 school difference in rankings makes us all idiots you know. Our degrees are practically useless!!!
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3 schools are tied at 68
4 are tied at 71. For those interested on the numbers in between and the weird math.
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I can see that only because
Purdue sounds like it could be Ivy League since there is no city or state in the name. Along the same vein Snooki must be a world-renowned recording artist since she is addressed sans a surname.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, sure. I suppose it could be an actual compliment if the Ivy League were comprised of a couple dozen schools and it were difficult to keep track of them. As it is, however, the Ivy League is a group of eight elite, famous, private universities, all of which have small undergraduate populations and are located no further west than central New York State. Purdue is a large land grant school located in west central Indiana. It seems strange that Purdue folks are so proud of this occasional confusion. It means that Purdue is held in the highest esteem by those who know the least about it.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 30, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
or even better collect it all in one fantastic rant piece for the front page!
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
That last line is sig-worthy.
A sassy, brassy, classy lassy.
by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 30, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

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