Indiana 73, Penn State 54: the losing streak is over.
- Sheehey's numbers weren't overwhelming (8 points on 3-7 shooting in 14 minutes), but I hope he approaches 100 percent health soon, because he is playing very well. Sheehey might be the most versatile player on IU's roster, and when the ball is in his hands, I have more confidence of something good happening than with any other player right now, even Zeller.
- Speaking of Cody Zeller, he did exactly what he should do against an overmatched team: 18 points, 7-8 from the field, 4-4 from the line, and 4 blocks. His turnover number was a bit high (3) and his rebound number a bit low (4), but obviously the Lions had no answer for him.
- Jordan Hulls had a rough shooting night (3-9/2-7), but thanks to 6-6 from the line he finished with a solid 14 points on 9 shots. Hulls had 3 assists and no turnovers and 3 steals.
- Verdell Jones III didn't make a huge impact on the box score, with 4 points on 2-6 shooting, but also had 3 assists to no turnovers.
- Matt Roth didn't duplicate his Bryce Jordan Center performance of a couple of weeks ago, but did provide some nice flashbacks, 2-2 shooting, both from deep, of course.
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I hope this represents a real shift in philosophy and not just one nice effort.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions
Crowd was in an ugly mood over the officiating
I took my son to his first IU basketball game yesterday. He’s 8, and there is still a lot that’s going over his head. But one thing I could tell was really concerning to him was all of the negativity toward the officiating. (He’s a very polite boy and doesn’t yet get that people sort of check a lot of their civility at the door for sporting events.) So, maybe that’s why I was a little more sensitive to the issue; but the crowd seemed really, really grumpy about the officiating – even when questionable calls were coming toward the end with a fairly comfortable lead.
Any sense of whether the crowd was more negative than usual about the officiating; and/or whether the officiating was worse than usual? I’m a homer, so my bias might blind me, but it seemed that the calls were just really, really inconsistent. A lot of traveling went uncalled; then a hard hit or a shirt grab would go uncalled only to be followed by a ticky-tack whistle to come later. I don’t think there was any kind of conspiracy or favoritism at work; it just looked like the refs were missing an awful lot coupled with a willingness to call fairly trivial things that they did see.
I agree that the crowd felt a little overly hostile yesterday
I commented on it in the open thread. We seemed to be literally booing everything. I think that has something to do with the worst and most inconsistently officiated game I’ve seen this season, but in general I believe our fans have become more hostile as well. I have noticed a trend that we expect every call and boo if we don’t get it. It is concerning.
I hope you and your boy escaped with an overall positive afternoon, but there certainly is a disturbing trend over the last year of overly hostile home crowds. There was definitely a negative mood to start out and it played itself out through the game.
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We had a good time
It didn’t ruin the game experience by any means. I had a good time because I hadn’t been down to Bloomington in probably 5 years and hadn’t been to an IU game in probably 15 years. My son was just happy to be there — a lot going on in the stadium, hanging out with Dad, popcorn and a big pretzel. And, ultimately, a Hoosier win! A few yahoos booing a little too much can’t compete with that!
good deal
I enjoy reading your blog by the way. I’m currently working in government affairs in Indy so it’s very relevant to me.
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If I could make a request
I think you should take a glance at HB1206
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ah missed it
HB1206 is just the polar opposite, banning the practice instead of regulating.
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Honestly I can't blame people for getting upset.
The officiating in the Big Ten has gotten to the point where I’m just resigned to it, but I can definitely see the anger. It was bad both ways, I suppose, but (for example) I’m really starting to get tired of seeing Zeller getting hacked to pieces under the basket while the officials ignore it. I often can’t keep from screaming at my television, so I can’t blame people at the game for doing the same. As long as we keep it on the level, of course – that stuff about the kid in the Izzone in the weekend is out of line, and I’d never want us booing our players.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
the rumors of our fans booing Verdell
made me furious. You don’t boo your own players. I heard it was only a select few, but it is offensive to think that no one nearby shut them down immediately. I don’t expect much out of sports fans, but showing some tact and not verbally assaulting your own players is one of my expectations.
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It's for that reason alone that I don't think our Student Section
deserves to be considered for any of those ‘Best Student Section in the Country’ awards. By the accounts I heard the boos came from the students. You don’t do that. Verdell’s play has been frustrating at times, but it is beyond me why people seem to focus their ire on him and him alone.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think the actions of a few should overshadow the whole
any more than I would about Michigan State and their fans. But I was hugely disappointed in the people booing VJIII. There’s no place for that; it helps nothing and runs the risk of totally depleting the confidence of a player who’s already having a rough time.
It pissed me off when it happened to Lance Stemler when I was in school, and it pisses me off now.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
our student section is also incredibly disorganized
that’s where I envy Purdue. Their section isn’t nearly as large but it is infinitely more organized. I got excited about the idea of the Crimson Guard taking over Twitter. It hasn’t worked that way though. I wish a frat or someone would just take charge. There needs to be year in and year out organization.
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We should bring in one of the capos from Timbers Army
or I suppose given the IU-Chicago connection and proximity, Section 8 would be more logistically doable. There’s a lot college basketball student sections (or groups like Area 55 for the Pacers, for that matter) could learn from soccer supporters groups. Though I guess flares and banners wouldn’t be possible, would they?
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that.
I kind of like that it is just a huge, uncoordinated mass. I think coordinated chants are kind of lame. The student section has a lot of assholes, but they care enough about the game that they don’t need direction. Nobody tells them when to get energetic; they recognize when IU is going on a run, or needs a defensive stop, or has strung together several good possessions.
On top of that, they have already developed traditions without any leadership help. The big heads, the costumes, “Stand Up Old People” a couple years ago.
The only problem I see is the tendency in games like yesterday’s to boo everything they don’t like, from officials, to badly drawn plays, and to our own players’ performance. I just don’t think coordinated cheering is going to change any of that. Assholes will be assholes unless you throw them out.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I just look at large AND organized sections like Utah State
that shit is intimidating. I will give our fans credit, the students appear very energetic and knowledgeable on their own, but I think we could harness that positive and magnify it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmJY3mNhmMQ
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I don't know. I can just see the coordination effort going really badly.
It’s easy to imagine IU Athletics pawning that leadership off on the cheerleaders, who are fucking terrible at motivating crowds like that. They try to do that before football games, and the responses to the “Go Red, Go White” cheers are so pathetic it could drive you to weep.
Frankly, I think IU would have better luck installing a new mascot successfully than coordinating our legion of drunks.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that's mostly because the cheerleader-led chants are mostly awful
That stuff Utah State was doing was inspired, though. Very cool.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
It would be a mess to organize
but if you could establish a tradition of one very good start of the game chant that gets everyone involved like that, I think it would go a long way to establishing a more enthusiastic, organized and conjoined effort the rest of the game.
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I'm envisioning something like "Rock Chalk Jayhawk", but that is going to be really hard to create
in 2012, rather than, say, 1953. Building new traditions is incredibly difficult, and in my experience, they’re usually tied to some amazing short-term phenomenon.
Some examples:
*the Texas Rangers’ Claw-and-Antlers thing in 2010
*the Cardinals’ Rally Squirrel
*the Big Heads
*"Stand Up Old People"
*Zombie Nation at the start of the second half (which, IIRC, arose from a request by the players themselves in 2008 so they could warm up and start playing along with that song)
Basically, unless it’s really, really awesome and clever, just about anything the administration tries to promote as a cheer or spirit thing is probably going to fall flat, because it didn’t grow organically out of the crowd’s energy.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
screw the administration
this has to be a grass roots thing. Someone needs to come up with it, vocalize it and use the gorilla to encourage the widespread practice of it. But I agree these things tend to grow out of moments. I guess we just have to wait on our moment.
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Yeah
I don’t think the school should be part of it. The best of these things come from the fans, we just need to come up with things and disseminate them.
And by “we” I mean “probably not me,” since I’m not actually a student.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap that is awesome. I want that.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I want to go to there
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Although
the Winning Team, Losing Team stuff is a little classless IMO. I wouldn’t want to taunt teams that just lost in AH unless that team happened to be Purdue or Kentucky. Or maybe Illinois.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I love it
it isn’t any more over the top than an “overrated” or “drive home safely” chant.
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Although, "overrated" does tend to downplay the scale of your own victory.
Basically: “Ha-ha, we beat you, so you must really suck!”
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
It's the lowest common denominator
but I’ll always be a fan of ug-ly gir-ls. Because Purdue is now and always will be filled with ugly girls.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I actually don't care much for the "ugly girls" stuff,
I always feel like I should defend the “sisterhood”, even if they are sticking their arms up cows’ asses for college credit.
Frankly, I wish I had known more nerdy, “ugly” girls at IU. They tend to be more fun and interesting. I might have had a more fun college experience then, rather than having to put up with the coven of bitches I always seemed to be surrounded by.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
This is totally unrelated
but what is your avatar?
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
It's Old Testament Hep breathing fire down onto the field
I stole it from Black Heart Gold Pants.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's spectacular.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Hep do that?
Unless he’s incinerating the other team? Which I suppose could be the case.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Iowa, to be exact.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Though, it is worth noting that that is a picture of the Marching Hundred
honoring the Jacobs family for giving $40 million to the School of Music in 2006. I’m actually on the upright of the B in that picture, if anyone’s curious.
I guess the Iowa bloggers couldn’t find a shot of the field from any of the games where we humiliated them
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
A high school cross country teammate of my brother's
skipped a meet one year to go to the Iowa-IU game at Memorial Stadium (he was an Iowa fan). Said it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity; this was the year they were ranked like #15 and we beat them. It ended up being just a hilariously awesome situation all-around.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
It was hilariously awesome.
I was in the band and witnessed the whole thing. A section leader was in the row behind me when Adam McClurg got that final interception and said, “I can’t believe he caught that. I think I just came a little.”
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure that it would have made a difference.
Most girls hate 99% of other girls. Find 3 best friends, keep em close, then gossip about how your ex-boyfriends new gf is a slut.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's one I've never liked
I really don’t have an issue with “taunting” vanquished opponents if they’re ostensibly on our level, though. Howard and UMBC are one thing, Michigan and Penn State are another. Major conference teams that come to Assembly Hall should catch hell, in my opinion. As long as it doesn’t dip into undesirable stuff (my sophomore year, some of the chants at Hasheem Thabeet were at least mildly racist, and I am not okay with that).
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Racism is definitely over the line
although after that I’m not sure where the line is. Dead mom and ‘you don’t know who your dad is’ chants are pretty vicious, but apparently aren’t as bad as anything racist.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think they should be out of bounds.
Things like personal attacks and the various -isms should not be a part of sports. But chanting a team out of your gym is nowhere near that level, for me. The “airball” song shouldn’t be equated with the “Starvin’ Marvin” chant.
Man, this thread took a strange turn, didn’t it?
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to say it, but I kind of have fond memories of the "Scoreboard Chant" from Crabb Band
It is classless, but it is also fun.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's frustrating, for sure.
The students could have a much bigger impact on the game if they were more centralized and organized. I think the latter would come about organically if the former came to pass. Every time I watch a Duke home game I get especially jealous. What’s so hard about putting 15 rows of students opposite of the camera across that whole side of Assembly Hall?
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like when crowds boo their own teams, either
Unless maybe the pros, because they’re getting paid millions, but I have to admit that there have been times during the past few games that I have thought, “With this kind of effort, if these players were wearing blue and in Rupp Arena, they’d be getting booed.”
by ChicagoHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for coming by, Doug.
Your site is always a great read, but especially when the General Assembly is in session.
I think a few things are at work.
1. I think it’s generally a bit rougher than it was back in the Knight era, which I know was the time you probably spent the most time at Assembly Hall. It often surprises younger IU fans to learn that Knight had the student section on a pretty tight leash and was quick to grab the mike or scold the students in the north end, even for waving their arms during opponents’ free throws.
2. I think there is quite a bit of frustration among IU fans both with the lack of homecourt treatment over the last few years, and with the three game losing streak in particular. I think it’s true that IU hasn’t received the same level of deference during the struggles of the last three years than in the past. As long as such homerism exists, I would like IU to get its “fair” share.
3. Some of the stuff AJ mentions about a lack organized student section. I’ve always found named and organized student sections to be cheesy, contrived Duke impersonations. And having an official student organization isn’t a cure-all (Exhibits A—ZZZZ are the behavior of the Orange Krush at Illinois in 2008). But I’m starting to think that an organized way of allocation lower seats and trying to keep behavior under control might not be a bad thing.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
"Penn State wasn't treating it like a dribble-it-out situation"
This is the key to me. If they’re going to throw a press when they’re down more than 15 with like 30 seconds left in a game, Penn State needs to realize that things like that are going to happen. I suppose Watford could have just taken the shot clock violation, but honestly I’m not going to fault a player for taking the shot.
You can play defense late in a game, that’s your right. Do what you want. But don’t get mad when the opposition keeps playing.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions
this
you don’t take a shot clock violation. No team in that situation takes a violation. In fact, there was a baseline layup if Hulls (?) chose to make that pass. IU took the lowest percentage shot they had available to them without a shot clock violation. If you’re going to play high pressure and not let us dribble out the clock we’re going to burn you on an open shot. That’s Penn State’s fault. You can’t be upset at someone beating your pressure defense instead of just giving you the ball. I would never expect an opposing team blowing IU out to just lay down if IU insists on playing to the final whistle.
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And I maintain that it's also in PSU's rights to do that
to play to the whistle. That’s a good mentality to have, I think. But you can’t then get upset when the other team does it as well. Either keep playing or back off, and the other team should do the same.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I applaud that
good for them. Some day that mentality will pay off.
I don’t see a lot of PSU people being up in arms about it. It seems to be mostly the haters (Purdue fans) that are overly upset about the situation. I think the two parties involved completely understand.
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just read comments by Pat Chambers where he was upset about the shot
seriously, if Penn State wants a team to lay down, they better lay down as well. I don’t expect any team to play punching bag because they’re up by 17.
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Reminiscent of a Colts-Texans blowout a few years ago when Houston thought the Colts were running it up because they were throwing the ball with the game decided. Dungy’s response was basically (parahprased), “we would have been fine running out the clock, but don’t stack eight men in the box and expect us to hand the ball off.”
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Here's to hoping that the second half vs. PSU got the boys' confidence back.
If that’s the case then I think we have a real shot to take down Wisco. I’d be able to forget about the Minnesota game if we can steal one in Madison. Here’s a few things that are looking good for the Hoosiers:
1. Sheehey has to be getting closer to 100%. That’s huge.
2. Cody seems to be becoming an even MORE efficient scorer all the time. I’m just waiting for a game where he breaks out for 30 plus. Oh it will happen. And soon.
3. Crean is starting to learn that he has better options than Verdell. I still love the kid and if he’s having a good night I’m all for Crean letting him stay in the game, but it’s good to see that he’s no longer quite as attached to Verdell as he once was.
4. Tom Pritchard. He’s a badass. Yesterday wasn’t his best game ever but I still really enjoy it when he gets minutes. I can literally see players getting frustrated when he’s guarding them on the post. Glad he’s on the team.
5. Elston. He blocks out. Enough said.
6. Roth. Dude can hit 3s. We already knew this, but I’m continually impressed by his range. Come tournament time I’m fairly certain he’s going to win us a game that we will have no business winning.
And now some negatives:
1. What the HELL is going on with Remy? Has anyone read/heard anything? Does he have a bad attitude or possibly having bad practices? Something must have happened because it is beyong me as to why he isn’t getting 6-10 minutes a game. I’ll keep being bothered by this until he either gets some PT or I get an explanation.
2. Jordy’s shot. It still isn’t falling with the accuracy that we’ve come to expect. Wish that Crean would run more plays specifically for him and I wish he would pull the trigger a little more often when he has the chance.
3. Oladipo. He’s just seemed off lately. Missing 3s the way he has been seems to be affecting the rest of his game. It’s unsettling. I want the ultra-cocky, slap the floor, big-dog Oladipo back.
4. Starting off slow. It keeps happening and it’ll be the reason for more losses if it keeps up. The only solution I see is for Crean to go to the bench earlier if he doesn’t see the energy and the effort there right off the bat. I know that it’s hard to find a balance between giving guys a chance to find their groove in a game and benching them so they have some reprecussions when they play poorly, but Crean needs to keep working at it because I don’t think he’s mastered this yet.
That’s all I got. Looking forward to Thursday.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions
A couple of things
1. Regarding Jordy and Oladipo, I wonder if fatigue might be an issue, or maybe a very minor injury. I know both have played a lot of minutes in years past, but honestly neither has played the kind of minutes they’re getting now – that is, tense play in close games against good teams. That may sound dumb, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a factor. On the other hand, I also agree that we need to do more to get Hulls open, or convince him to start taking shots like the ones Roth takes. I wonder if Hulls will develop into a better version of Roth next year, if Yogi takes over the 1 and Hulls moves more to the 2, if Hulls doesn’t feel as much like he needs to “run the offense.”
2. I think with Abell it’s more about matchups than any issues he has. It’s also possible that Crean doesn’t want to overload him with minutes as a freshman and get him tired and hurt. I haven’t seen or heard anything that would lead me to believe Abell is anything other than a stand-up guy and a hard worker, so I’ll assume until presented evidence that he is one. I will say, though, that I also have been surprised that he hasn’t gotten much time. I think he would do well in a slightly expanded role.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder the same thing about the offense next year and Hulls.
Thoughts of Yogi driving the lane over and over again with the choice of either taking the shot himself, dumping it to CZ, or kicking out to Hulls for an open 3 give me chills. I think changing Hulls’ primary role from facilitator to scorer will open up a whole new world for him.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Honestly I think he’s been playing somewhat out of position for his skillset – I don’t see him as a great passer or dribbler, and sometimes his decision-making (for example, picking up his dribble at horribly inopportune times) is lacking. Love Jordy to death, but I don’t think he’s a great point guard. Yogi could be one, and I think moving Hulls to the 2 would make both of them very dangerous players.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yogi already is one.
That kid is just incredible. Out of everyone in next year’s class he’s the one who I think will transition easiest to the college game. Followed closely by Hollowell. Perea I’m sure will see a good amount of minutes, but I agree with most scouts who say that he’s still a little raw. Holy crap, though, what an athlete.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen Yogi play enough to speak with authority
that’s the only reason I wasn’t a bit more assertive there. I think he’ll be great for us.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen him play in person twice.
Here are some of his highlights. Keep in mind it’s all from the summer. If possible he’s gotten even better since. I can say without reservation that he’s the best high school point guard I’ve ever seen (in person, at least).
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
From what I've seen and heard his speed is almost mesmerizing
and that alone makes me giddy with anticipation. I’d love to add some speed to our game, I think that’s something we miss right now.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
dude can find an edge and exploit it
takes a lot of lateral speed to keep him in front of you. His first step is an incredible asset.
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Almost as impressive
is how fast he can stop, pop, and hit the jumper. If he had all the same skills but was maybe 5 or 6 inches taller he’d likely be the number one prospect in his class.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
notice in that video
Yogi abuses Ron Patterson, one of the best (read the best) and longest perimeter defenders in the state, and makes it look easy.
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Hulls is a great passer
but not a fantastic facilitator if that makes sense. He sees the floor very well and makes plenty of “did you see that?” passes. But he’s not very good at creating those opportunities on his own. He needs the other players move off the ball to make that happen. His great passing to players moving well off the ball are what make Sheehey and Oladipo thunder dunks so common, but Hulls rarely forces a defense to collapse and leaving players open.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
To say nothing of the fact that nobody else seems to want to move around the floor on offense.
Jordy stands at the top of the key and looks for somebody moving, and everybody just stares back for three seconds.
I also think that teams know that Jordy is way more efficient from three than he is from two, and know that they don’t need to collapse when he drives in the paint.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is a great point about movement
I really wish more of our guys would help Hulls facilitate by opening defenses up for him. When we do it we look great, but it doesn’t happen enough. Maybe still some bad habits left from the last three years.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose what colors my perception
is the number of just weird passes he makes that go to nobody. I don’t mean to say he’s a bad passer, I just feel like he’s not the total point guard package. Which isn’t a criticism, because I also thing he’s done well in that position when he’s had to fill it. I just think he’ll be better in a different role.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
he isn’t a PG. He is a shooting guard, but he’s forced into that position. He has performed admirably there, but the sooner he doesn’t have to play the point, the better.
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That's basically what I was trying to say
just more clearly. Thanks.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
want to point out that there were 32 fouls called in the second half
poorly called game
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Don't understand how the Big Ten
can expect to be the epitome of college basketball conferences while having the absolute worst refs. If anything it’s getting worse as the season goes on.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hanner Perea ladies and gentlemen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWfV9uc15AU
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By the way
according to everyone on Twitter, we’re #17 in the new coaches poll.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM EST reply actions
Sounds about right.
At least we’re still ranked.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
A win in Madison would help the ranking a lot.
But honestly, considering the expectations I had coming into the season, any ranking is cool with me. More concerned about the Big Ten standings, to be honest.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
at the start of the season
I would have been excited if you told me we broke the top 25 this season. We’ve been as high as 7.
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Still super disappointed about the Minnesota and Nebraska losses
It’s so frustrating to know that IU is a few minutes of additional effort from a half-game lead in the Big Ten.
Not a great first half
But, I did like the way that we were purposeful in getting the ball to Cody. Penn State decided that they were going to guard the perimeter close (understandably, given the carpet bombing rendered upon them in Happy Valley), and I though that we did a good job of getting it to Cody and allowing him to do his thing, which he did quite well.
The problem in the first half was simply effort, which manifest itself on defense, rebounding, loose balls, etc. Glad to see that pick up in the second half considerably. I think that Cody is clearly our best player, and there might be other guys who are more “valuable”, however you want to define that. But Watford seems to be the barometer for this team. When he’s not on — and he seemed a bit disinterested in yesterday’s first half — the team is sluggish. When he’s on — yesterday’s second half and the Michigan game — he cannot be stopped and the rest of the team seems to feed off of it. Am I crazy, or does anyone else notice this?
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions
I totally noticed that.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 23, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I've said the same thing several times before.
Although I think the team feeds off of both Watford and Oladipo. But with Oladipo being a little ‘off’ lately that responsibility most definitely lies solely with Watford.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
And Watford is the upperclassman
This is one of the areas where we are still seriously deficient: upperclassmen who know what it takes to get through the late-January and February drag, and have done so successfully before. I’m certainly no expert on this, but I think that’s probably an explanation for the flat performances prior to yesterday’s second half. We absolutely need Watford to step up, every possession, every game.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

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