Minnesota 77, Indiana 74: back to Earth.
The growing sense that since the Ohio State win, IU hasn't been doing much well other than shoot three pointers was put to the test last night, when IU shot only 22 percent from behind the arc. The outcome? IU's first home loss, and to a Minnesota team that was 0-4 in the Big Ten and had lost in its last two trips to Assembly Hall against 20-loss IU teams. As we discussed in the game thread last night, everyone knew that at some point, IU was going to have a bad loss. At Penn State was a worthy candidate. At Nebraska would be another? But really? Against an 0-4 team at home? As I have mentioned before, winning huge games on the road is a bit overblown. It should happen sometimes, but even a team that goes 31-3 or 30-4 probably gets those losses in its toughest road games. My main hope, after beating Kentucky and Ohio State, was that we would win out at home, which would make everything else gravy. Instead, the Hoosiers fell short in what should have been one of the most winnable games on the schedule.
As I said, the main difference between this game and the last few is that IU shot poorly from behind the arc: 4-18, and only 1-8 in the first half. Besides that, IU's offensive game was pretty good. The Hoosiers were 20-37 from two point range, 22-25 from the line, and had a 45 percent OR number. Unfortunately, the turnovers were back 16, for a percentage of 23.8, second-worst of the season, compared to only 11 for Minnesota, and the Gophers really didn't have to fight for much offensively. IU never led in the second half, and the late rally, which culminated in a heavily guarded three pointer for the tie at the end, wasn't enough. IU dabbled in a zone defense, which did slow the Gophers down a bit when it was used, but eventually just let to open perimeter shots.
Individual performances of note:
- Cody Zeller struggled a bit from the field and on defense. He did, however, score 23 points on 7-14 from the field and 9-9 from the line.
- Will Sheehey was back, which is good, except it means that after playing pretty well without him, we managed to lose with our full roster. He had the best individual performance of anyone--12 points and 6 rebounds in 15 minutes, 5-7 from the field. We wouldn't have been in the game at the end without his contributions.
- It was a rough night for the upperclassmen. Bad Verdell was out it full force, shooting 0-6 from the field and with 3 turnovers. Christian Watford was 1-7 from the field with only 3 rebounds, and he had four turnovers. Jordan Hulls was 4-9 from the field, but only 1-4 from deep.
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I really hope people don't overreact too badly to this loss
they were always going to have one of these games, and I guess this was when it was to happen. Minnesota’s better than their record, they’ve played a bunch of close games (Illinois in 2OT, Michigan by 5, Iowa by 2) so honestly they could just as easily have been 3-1 or 2-2 rather than 0-4 going in. There are clear issues but we’re 15-2, and honestly if anyone expected that I guess they can complain but the rest of us, the ones who were hoping to be a tourney bubble team, should probably just be upset for a moment and move on.
I mean seriously, 15-2.
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You are correct, no doubt, but I think there is still some shellshock from the last three seasons, particularly the way the last three seasons finished. I don’t think we are going to lose out or even miss the tournament, but as you note, Minny isn’t a bad team. Neither is Penn State, Northwestern, or Nebraska. This is a sobering reminder that for all of this team’s accomplishments, there are no gimmes in this league this year, home or away.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Indiana has improved enough to now have a target on their back, and they have to come to play in every single game from here on out.
Let’s quickly review the bottom half of Big Ten standings:
Wisconsin (!) – humiliated Nebraska in their home opener, just won at Purdue.
Iowa- Wins at Wisconsin and at Minnesota
Penn State – Beat Purdue (at home) by 20
Northwestern – beat PSU, nearly and SHOULD have beaten Michigan on the road
Nebraska – beat PSU, were tied with Illinois in Champaign in the final minute.
Minnesota – after a series of near misses, wins at IU in a game they were pumped to play
Not one of these teams is to be taken lightly at home or on the road. The Big Ten is the nation’s toughest conference for a reason, and that’s top-to-bottom depth. I wouldn’t be surprised if the B1G had two teams in the Final Four and a NIT championship.
Basically, it’s January 13, and 9 of 12 Big Ten teams have an impressive conference win. Illinois and IU over Ohio State; Iowa at Wisconsin; Michigan has a home beatdown of Wisconsin; MSU beat IU by 15; Minnesota won at IU; Penn State whipped Purdue; Purdue whipped Illinois, and Minnesota on the road; Wisconsin won at Purdue. Of the three that don’t have a really good win, Ohio State is Ohio State, and as you mentioned, Nebraska and Northwestern were painfully close to signature road wins.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 13, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I just hope that they can take the loss and learn from it. I do not expect them to win in Columbus on Sunday, but I definitely want to see them improve in that game and from here on out. We’re not good enough to show up with anything less than our best effort, which was not on display last night. And Bad VJ3 and Bad Watford need to be banished forever.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I would bench Watford & Jones at OSU
Have them come off the bench and start… heck with it- I’d start Danny Moore and Tom Pritchard. And that’s probably why it’s good I’m not the coach. But. VJ3 & C-Wat have been heroes this season in some crucial games, but they’ve also got to understand that they aren’t talented enough to have an off-night like that. Ironically, I was just sort of formulating a defense of Verdell, but he really undercut that last night.
I like VJ3
But he was horrible last night.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Crean loves VJ3 a bit too much
I think he feels some loyalty to him as a senior but he shouldn’t be getting as many minutes as he is. I would like to see Sheehey start for him, but I don’t think VJ3 would handle a bench role well at all and Sheehey seems to love his role as 6th man. Get out of here with that nonsense about not starting Watford. He had a bad game, don’t let it overshadow the year he is having.
by WhySoSeriousCaptain on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Watford
I agree with you that I would not sit Watford to start the game. But he did not have it last night. I can live with that. I cannot live with the poor effort he put forth, though. In reality, if Elston was more consistent, you could take Watford out in that situation. But Elston’s not consistent, and is half the player that Watford usually is offensively. Getting Sheehey back to full speed will help. I’d like to see more of this lineup: Hulls, O, Sheehey, Zeller, and Mystery Man #5 — i.e., whoever is going to bring it. Probably Watford in most instances.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bottom feeders
Wednesday I was worried we’d be walking into Columbus to play a pissed off Buckeye squad, thankfully we should now have a bit of a fire under us for that game. I was at the Nebraska-Penn State game Wednesday night in Lincoln, and wow is the bottom of this conference shockingly good. Obviously Minnesota would be in the title picture were it not for the ACL of Mbakwe, but even Nebraska is a solid squad that returns nearly everything from a solid team last year that pulled off some big upsets and was dangerous at home. Looking to next week’s game in Lincoln, it will be tough. Nebraska had a MUCH better crowd than I ever thought they’d have for a bball game, but the arena is dead, student section maybe 100 or so who were pretty inactive. The benefit, Nebraska is a team IU can hang 100 on if they run. The Huskers are wildly unathletic with the exception of Bo Spencer, and if PSU shot better than about 1-15 from 3 (when I left) they would’ve lost. Zeller will have a field day against the Huskers (post defense was a DISGRACE, a middle school girl could get position against Ubel and Diaz on the block). Hopefully we can pull a win off in Columbus and have our heads on straight heading into Lincoln.
by andrew.krumwied on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions
John,
Did you see what Travis said about KenPom this week? I asked him why he doesn’t include KenPom and Sagarin rankings in his game previews and he responded with “I don’t know them, haven’t taken the time to read them.” Please help me educate Travis and bring him into the 21st century of sports statistics.
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If only Big Ten Wonk was still around.
His blog is still up, I think. Search the archives and you’ll probably find several useful articles on Pomeroy, Sagarin, and tempo-free stats, albeit from five years ago.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
A Purdue grad asking an IU liberal arts grad to educate another Purdue grad on stats? Heh. I’ll do my best. I certainly can’t claim to understand the fundamentals beneath either what Pomeroy or Sagarin does, but I think the important distinction between what they do and what the RPI does is that they are trying to predict, not reward, whereas the RPI is basically evaluating wins and losses and strength of schedule. A team that is 0-4 with four one-point losses is treated the same by the RPI as if it had lost every game by 20. Pomeroy and Sagarin would be much more kind, and would consider such a team unlucky and probably not too bad.
I agree with Lonestar’s recommendation for Travis or anyone else of the big Ten Wonk’s archives, particularly this post, as an introduction. It’s interesting to me to see just how much influence guys like Pomeroy and Gasaway have influenced the quality of basketball writing. Back in the mid 2000s, it was common to read stuff like, for example, that Northwestern was a good defensive team, and that would be based only on the fact that they were in low scoring games (disregarding their slow pace and low number of possessions). Or that Wisconsin won despite an anemic offensive, when on a per-possession basis their offense was ruthlessly efficient. It’s also really affected the way I think about rebounding. A stat like overall rebound margin is often useless. This one is still pretty persistent. If, say, Michigan State shoots 15-20 from the field and 5-5 from the line in a half, and gets 3 offensive boards, and Illinois shoots 10-20 and 4-8 from the line (assuming all were live-ball misses) and gets 5 offensive boards, then some sportscaster will breathlessly report that “Illinois is losing , but they outrebounded MSU on offense.” Well, as you well know, Matt, first, they aren’t “offensive rebounding” against each other. One team’s OR opportunity is another team’s DR opportunity. And in the above exaggerated example, MSU would have capitalized on 60 percent of its 5 OR opportunities, while Illinois would have capitalized on only 36 percent of its 15 opportunities. It’s one of those things that seems so obvious once you think about the game that way—of course the number of rebounds can’t be judged in a vacuum, it has to be judged based on the number of rebound opportunities—but it’s still an elusive concept. Turnovers are the same way, of course. Sure, 20 turnovers is almost always a bad number, and 6 is almost always a good number, but the pace of the game says much about whether, say, 13 is an acceptable number.
The final thing I love about Pomeroy is how user-friendly his site is. It’s clean, no ads, no fancy graphics or pulldown menus, and practically every stat is clickable and/or sortable. You won’t like this example, Matt, but last year after Purdue’s loss to VCU I mentioned that it was, by far, the worst defensive performance (on a points per possession basis) in the Painter era. Someone (not you or Travis, for that matter) asked how long I spent looking that up. The answer, thanks to Pom’s awesome website, is probably less than 30 seconds. Given how much I use it for the site, the $20 membership to Pom is well worth it for time savings alone. StatSheet has all of these numbers as well, but it is at the opposite extreme of usability. Considering that I write my posts when I can squeeze them into my workday, I probably made back the $20 I spent on Pom within a week, considering how long it would take me to use StatSheet.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jan 13, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well said.
And also, PurdueMatt, I would recommend this particular Wonk post to you as a Purdue guy and thus likely to appreciate anything about John Wooden: http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2006/12/purdue-headline-blap.html . Gives you a feel for how great Wonk was as a writer, back when he was Wonk and not just John Gasaway.
Not related to your original question, sure, but thinking about it made me think about how much I miss that particular blogger in my daily reading.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Jan 13, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
anyone think that the boys
get fired up from the home loss and end up going to Columbus and coming away with a W? I do. Well I think there’s a chance anyways.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 13, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The past couple of games have made me think back to the '87 season
Of course we can’t compare the seasons, or even the teams in many ways – ’87 has a banner after all – but I think there is a useful lesson. Check out their performance in the B10:
1987 IU schedule
The first half-plus of the B10 schedule was great. IU started 10-1, and mostly just destroyed teams. Illinois and Michigan were close games, and Iowa won big at home – but Iowa was so dominant that season – they were #1 in the country at that point. As a side note, the ’87 Hawkeyes were the first team to score 100 points on a Bob Knight-coached Indiana team.
But then look what happens. They squeak past Northwestern, Wisconsin and Minnesota by a total of 5 points. These were bad teams – UW won 4 games and finished 8th, while NU and UM only won 2 and tied at the bottom of the league that year. I remember the UW game well – I had a paper due the next morning, wandered down to the lounge to procrastinate, and then the game ran until midnight. I was so ticked off I was rooting for the Badgers by the end of it. Those three teams played above their heads, but frankly IU looked pretty bad all three games.
The rest of course is history. Indiana beat Iowa in a critical game, then lost tough contests on the road at Purdue and Illinois but still shared the B10 crown thanks to a Boilermaker meltdown against Michigan, and went on to win the title. In the IU pantheon they are maybe a bit below the ‘75-’76 teams and the ’81 squad, but not by much.
The point of this is that even really, really good Indiana teams with great senior leadership and hall of fame coaching go through low periods and play poorly in multiple games. Where is the IU team that beat Kentucky and OSU? They are still on the floor – but just off-kilter right now. It’s a tough conference, as others have ably demonstrated, and the margin of error is very small in any game. Fortunately… it’s also very small for Ohio State, and every other team we play. So as irritating as the past couple of games have been, we can expect better defense in future games, and better outside shooting. Maybe even this weekend.
I would put the 1993 team -- with a healthy Henderson -- fourth...
…behind the 76, 75, and 81 teams but ahead of 87.
by bangkokhoosier on Jan 14, 2012 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that you can legitimately place a banner team ahead of a non-banner team
But if you are going to do so, then that 93 team goes ahead of 81, too.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I wondered if that would come up!
The ’81 team was not a great one from start to finish – they were 7-5 going into B10 play after all, with a fat loss to Texas Pan American. BUT… down the stretch that team got healthy, found its identity, and just started destroying the opposition. They won their last 10 games, with only one of those being in single digits.
As far as the whole resume goes, I like a number of teams more… but if we had a tournament with every team playing at its peak, then 1981 might win out. You have Tolbert and Turner for your inside playmaking, rebounding, and defense, you have Whitman and Kitchell at the wings – both great shooters and decent defensively, and you have Zeke out front – and Jim Thomas, who was a fantastic defender and rebounder.
I like ‘93 a lot too, but I think ’81 could contain Calbert, put pressure on the post, keep up with the outside shooting threats, and win – more definitely if there’s no 3-point stripe, but even with it, I like their chances.
That discussion’s probably for the off-season, though!
You make an excellent argument
You look at the 81 team and see that they lost 9 games, and had a very pedestrian non-conference record. But they simply annihilated everyone and everything in their path toward the end of the season and through the tournament. The 1987 team, which only lost 4 games, was good but not nearly as dominant in the tournament, and probably should have lost to LSU in the regional final.
I am too young to remember the 75 and 76 teams. I am told by my parents that the 75 team was actually better and was running through the competition like a buzzsaw.
But that 93 team, at its peak, was also a force of nature. They came within a laid egg in Columbus of a perfect conference season. I was 7 years old during the 1981 season, and I remember watching the championship game. But my memory of that season is not as distinct as it is with 1993, which is, hands down, the most impressive IU team that I can recall.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jan 17, 2012 7:30 AM EST up reply actions

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