Michigan State 80, Indiana 65: Spartans hand IU first loss in roller-coaster of a game.
The 1975-76 Hoosiers can rest easy. We all knew that the undefeated season wouldn't last forever, and it ended last night at the road venue that presented the toughest challenge for the Hoosiers over the years. Above all, this rates as one of the more unusual games I have seen. IU trailed by 18 with 5 minutes left in the first half, but IU outscored the Spartans 39-11 over the next 14 minutes to lead by 9 with 11 minutes remaining. Michigan State then whipped the Hoosiers 35-11 in the final ten minutes, including a 20-0 run following IU's largest lead, and that was that. Here's the box score.
The up and down nature of the game makes it tough to assign much meaning to the box score. For a 15 minute stretch, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that IU played its best basketball of the Crean era. For the other 25 minutes, the Hoosiers looked pretty helpless. If there was a pleasant surprise, it's that IU held its own on the boards at both ends of the court. These are my numbers, because Pomeroy isn't updated yet, but by my calculation IU had an offensive rebound percentage of about 34 percent compared to 30 percent for Michigan State. Of course, this was of limited value in this game, because the Spartans shot a better-than-usual 54 percent, compared to 42 percent for IU. MSU was a beastly 62 percent on two point attempts, with Derrick Nix's 6-9 off the bench the biggest factor. The Spartans also excelled at the line, particularly Keith Appling, who shot 9-10 there.
Ultimately, however, the story of this game was IU's poor offensive performance in the game's first 15 minutes and last 10 minutes. Cody Zeller, despite a few nice moments during IU's run early in the second half, was in large part stymied by the physical MSU big men. The IU guards again struggled to get Zeller the ball, but he wasn't able to do much with it when he caught it. Zeller made two field goals on successive possessions, and that was it. Four points, no free throws. IU's failure to get to the line was a major issue. Part of that is life on the road in the Big Ten (one happy thought I had during the game was that now that we are a Tournament contender, we will start getting the homecourt treatment that has been missing for the last three years), but there was a lack of penetration by IU for most of the game. I do think that Will Sheehey and his multi-faceted scoring ability would have been an asset in this game.
The biggest positive in this game, by far, was the performance of Christian Watford. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Bad Watford this season, but he was very good and looked very comfortable down low with the Michigan State big men. And if he can hold his own on the interior with MSU, then he can do it with any team remaining on IU's schedule. Watford scored 26 points on 9-16 shooting, including 4-6 from deep (Watford and Matt Roth, who played very well at Breslin for the second consecutive year, were the only Hoosiers to make a three pointer) and had 10 rebounds, including 8 on the defensive end. Other individual performances:
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Jordan Hulls really struggled. He was 2-10 from the field, 0-4 from three point range, did not attempt a free throw, and had four turnovers. That IU led by 9 after the first 30 minutes of the game without a major offensive contribution from Hulls is pretty amazing.
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After all of the injury talk, Verdell Jones III played 28 minutes and scored 11 points on 5-10 from the field. He didn't look significantly hobbled to me, which is good. Will Sheehey, on the other hand, didn't make the trip.
- As noted above, Matt Roth scored 6 points on 2-5 three point shooting, and played a huge part in IU's comeback late in the first half. To call Roth's three pointers "NBA length" would be underselling them. The deepest may well have been 30 from feet away.
As I said in the game thread last night, I am disappointed but not discouraged. As I have been saying for the last few weeks, this was one of the four or five toughest games on IU's Big Ten schedule. So is Saturday's home game against Ohio State. An 0-2 start is not a disaster for this team. A win in either of these games would have been found money. That's not to say that I relish the idea of hosting a dangerous Michigan team with 0-3 looming over the team's head, but these guys have been in tougher situations in their careers. All we can hope is for some learning from the lessons of last night, and a sudden recovery by Sheehey would be nice as well.
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not that I'm at all expecting this
but if IU can pull off the home win against OSU on Saturday it’ll be a huge confidence booster for the rest of the season. The team will know that they have the ability to beat anyone at home and can focus on beating the teams they should beat on the road. I just think if they drop one at Assembly Hall, even against one of the best teams in the country like Ohio State they’ll lose some of that swagger which would be bad news bears.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Dec 29, 2011 9:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m not going to be despondent if we lose, but a loss would put a ton of pressure on IU in the upcoming Michigan and even Penn State games. I think if we play well we will be fine either way. If we get beat comfortably, it might be an issue.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Continuation in College BB?
Is it just me or are Refs getting a little loose with ‘continuation’?
While MSU outplayed IU for 80% of that game… that Tripping Call at the 3 point line on the fast break AND 1 was garbage. How can a player be “in the act” on a fast break lay in when the only contact was 25 ft from the basket? Just sayin’.
Seems like they’re letting the play go on after the foul a little more this year more than usual.
Outside of the couple IU streaks, MSU did a solid job pressuring the ball and keeping IU from getting offensive rhythm. Hulls needed to have a great game and keep up the tempo and he just looked out of sync. Zeller couldn’t get the looks he needed either.
This makes the NYEve matchup vs. Ohio State that much bigger.
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Yeah. It was hardly decisive but a really bad call. Not only was it an absurd continuation, but he traveled.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Have some extensive thoughts on this one
Will Sheehey definitely makes a difference in this game. Does it mean if he’s around the Hoosiers win? No. But it would have gone down to the last few possessions. During the stretch that the Hoosiers went off they realized that the drive was a possibility and were able to be disruptive to the perimeter defense of Michigan State. Add in Sheehey, who along with Vic and Jones is a much more capable slasher than Hulls and Roth and you likely have a different look to the game.
Watford was a monster last night. Looked good facing the basket, back to the basket and rebounding. Also have a pretty good game on the defensive end of the floor. If we can get that out of him every game then a conference championship is still a possibility. I have zero complaints with him last night. He took some of his normal questionable shots but I’m more than happy for him to take those if he does what he did the rest of the game as well.
VJIII looked really good as well. Found his role and did a good job in it last night. Even did a decent job of keeping his man in front of him defensively. Have no issues with Jones’ play last night.
Vic disappeared at points in the game. He has to take that next step and learn to take over a game now. We all have seen it and know he’s capable we need him to have that killer instinct now to go for the throat.
Hulls was just plain bad last night. It hurts to say that about a fan favorite but IU probably would have been better off with him on the bench. He shot poorly, made poor decisions, held the ball too deep into the shot clock and did nothing to try and drive by his man. MSU’s stifling defense shut down the perimeter but Hulls did little to remedy the situation. Luckily, this just means that Aaron Craft is going to get lit up from behind the line on Saturday. I have confidence in Hulls more than anyone that he’ll bounce back with a good game in Bloomington.
Cody Zeller played 23 minutes last night. Only 6 more than Tom Pritchard. We all should find Tom in Bloomington and give him a hug. He played his heart out in a losing situation. With just him and Watford, they were forced to try and hold off what felt like MSU’s 17 post players. State finished with something like 36 points in the paint. That can be attributed to Pritchard getting picked up in a situation where he was outgunned and out numbered and Zeller’s timidness due to foul trouble. Play this game again and I would not expect the same discrepancy in paint scoring.
As a whole, I’m disappointed that we lost but impressed with the fashion that it was a ball game at all. Anyone who watched the game last night knows there isn’t a 15 point difference in those basketball teams. IU pulled a complete anti-Hoosier game where they shot poorly from distance, didn’t get to the free throw line, shot 54% when they did and had zero ball movement on offense. Last year this game is 30 points at half. They showed a lot of grit with their 40-16 run and I take comfort in knowing that the offense is good enough they’ll never be out of games. On a more “Hoosier-like” night, Indiana loses this game by 3.
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Seems to me that Watford has his best games when he's forced to play in the paint.
Perhaps defenders have to be more wary of him and allow him to go outside to try an alleviate the threat of him scoring around the basket.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
also noticing a funny narrative coming out of this game
IU goes down by 18 “Crean can’t coach”. They go on a 13-2 run to finish the half, “players are doing it themselves”. They go on a 10-0 run to start the second half, “thank god the players are super talented”. MSU goes on a 20-0 run, “Crean can’t coach”.
It is funny how the good that this team does has absolutely nothing to do with Tom Crean, but anything bad that happens is all on Tom Crean.
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Crean doing solid job this year
His rotations are better, the team seems more in tune, the motion on offense is improved, minutes seem to be distributed well. In previous years you could tell he was trying to work with a subpar mix of players trying to find a happy medium that was never really there. He finally has some talent and the team has responded well.
Going into MSU for a Big Ten Opener sandwiched between the holidays is a brutal thing to ask any team to do. IU fought back several times, but realistically this was a tall order.
This game had little to do with Tom Crean and a whole lot to do with MSU’s Defense, shooting streaks, and some questionable decisions by a few Hoosiers.
They can beyond redeem themselves Saturday, if not, they have 16 conf games to go after that with a Big Ten that is evenly matched this year.
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I think Crean is extremely well-positioned for B1G Coach of the Year if this kind of play continues.
Definitely so if they make the tournament.
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by LoneStarHoosier on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn't say distant
Tubby has been working small miracles up there so far this season.
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I’ll go as far as to say that if IU matches its Pomeroy projection of 25-6/12-6, Crean will be the consensus national coach of the year.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
especially when the original Pomeroy projections were
19-12
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if you're referring to Purdue fans
they have to hold on to the ‘crean can’t coach’ bullcrap. Because if painter isn’t a ridiculously superior coach then what other advantage does Purdue have? They can’t recruit as well, the facilities aren’t as good or as iconic, they have much less support from their alumni, fewer fans, no history, and they’re choke artists. Crean could win 3 NCAA championships in a row and we’d still hear nothing but, “it was all the players’ talent. Crean is just a cheerleader.” Get used to it. All we can do is laugh when in 3 years they’re all calling for Painter’s job because he was unable to take them anywhere in the tournament while Crean got IU to the national championship game.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Crean is a great coach and Indiana is a good tourney team.
though they lost last night, IU is a solid 4 or 5 seed team. the big ten is tough and road wins will be very tough to get unless you are playing the bottom feeders.I am confident IU will be in the NCAA tourney.it is just one loss!!we have started 0-2 on numerous occasions in the big ten.
0-2 versus the top two teams in the conference isn't a bad thing
but I do think the Ohio State game will be closer. We’re currently 3 point dogs but that is at home where momentum swings our way much easier. Your guys’ crowd in the Breslin Center on Winter Break no less, was very impressive.
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Izzone consisted of alums in their late 30's.
IU can surely beat OSU at home. The key is to get sullinger in foul trouble. OSU is a mirror image of MSU. Offense flows through Sullinger. IU’s transition game will be huge as OSU excels in half court offense. They will not run up and down. I call this is a close game but an IU win.
I dont understand people blaming Crean for the loss. He is resurrected IU basketball and has started to control recruiting in Indiana, especially Indianapolis. He is bringing in talent and the IU product is on the rise. Folks in Indiana don’t realize this but it takes time to build a program and Crean has done it this year.Look at this team compared to last years.
by spartynation on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
our problem against you guys last night is that we settled into a half court set way too much
Your guys perimeter defense is way too strong to let all five guys get set. We should have pushed the ball more earlier in the shot clock. Credit to the Spartans for shutting down ball flow though. We’re a team dependent on swinging the ball quickly. Rarely did we do that last night.
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Crean has quite a bit of support among IU fans, despite whatever emoting might go on during a game. He has done a good job, and while the win-loss totals have been disappointing the last two years, a comfortable NCAA berth would put him right back on track, particularly with the talent infusion coming next year.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
AND
a 4-5 seed in the tournament sounds like a small miracle considering the standards of success we had at the beginning of the season. First four out was Lunardi’s original placement of the Hoosiers in his pre-season bracketology.
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Heck of a game last night
I think IU is poised to emerge as an annual NCAA tourney & B1G championship contender, starting with this season.
That Victor Oladipo kid is a freak athlete, and Watford for some reason just owns MSU (someone from The Only Colors tweeted his historical stat line vs. the Spartans, and it’s just scary). As for Zeller, he’s smart & talented enough to learn to adapt to physical B1G play, and excel.
As for the “Crean can’t coach” line, I think that’s total BS – he proved he can coach at Marquette, and has clearly proven he can recruit at IU.
I think this is the season that IU returns to the national college hoops picture, and I feel that’s for the benefit of everybody, especially our conference. I’m glad that my alma mater got the win & held home court, and I’ll be pulling hard for your squad, especially in it’s next two games. If you guys can take out tOSU & U-M over the next week, I think 12 + B1G wins and a top 4 seed are in store for IU hoops this season.
It’s great to have you guys back!! F tOSU & Michigan (Purdue & ND, too)!!!!!
Thanks. As I said above, don’t get the idea that there is any sort of groundswell against Crean. There isn’t, and there wasn’t before the 12-0 start. Hairpullers and Purdue fans push that narrative quite a bit, but he’s certainly a good coach and has the program on the right track.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is strange the connection I have with Michigan State
they’ve always been a team I’ve rooted for since I was kid. Maybe because my mother’s side is from the Lapeer area, but you guys are my second team in the B1G. If IU can’t land Gary Harris and Branden Dawson, I’m glad State did. That may sound odd from a Hoosiers fan but it’s true, I root for you guys.
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I think the IU-MSU hoops love goes both ways
Kind of always has. From our direction, you have things like the obvious (the Crean connection), the less obvious (Isiah Thomas, as a high percentage of MSU alums & fans are Michiganders and therefore Pistons fans), and the historical (taking down U-M in the ’76 natty is always a way to get on a Spartans good side).
Plus, we have common hated rivals in U-M, ND, and Purdue.
Also, Heathcoat was the only Big 10 coach that Knight liked. I’m pretty sure he is the only coach that received a retirement gift from IU while Knight was coaching.
by thunderpup12 on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Jud & Knight
Are definitely two characters cut from he same cloth. I was unaware of the parting gift story, but it’s totally believable (and pretty cool, IMHO).
Lou Henson got one, too, the next year. I wouldn’t have believed it if I didn’t see it in person. Of course, given Knight’s record against Lon Kruger, he was right to anticipate that he would miss Lou-Do.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I had forgotten about that. It was always my understanding that Knight had no respect for Henson based on his belief that they ran a crooked program.
I vividly remember him walking off the court in Champaign during a stoppage with a few seconds remaining to piss off the fans and avoid shaking Henson’s hand.
by thunderpup12 on Dec 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't it a recliner or something, at midcourt?
Tonight's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I believe so. I was at that one, too, now that I think about it. Shawn Respert scored 40, mostly in the second half, but IU held on to win.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I very much remember watching that game as a kid
Tonight's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Dec 30, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
For as much success as MSU has had, they seem to be not just respected, but liked, by the fans of most other Big Ten schools. Part of it is that Izzo conducts himself well on and off the court. His teams are just plain likable in their workmanlike, quintessential Big Ten way. I think a big part of it as well is that everyone hates Michigan, so the enemy of my enemy is my friend. As someone who loathed the Fab Five and attended IU when they were at U-M, I’m still delighted to see the Wolverines as the #2 program in the state, and that Fisher-era corruption gave MSU an opening. Like you, I have some family ties (one of my uncles was a student there when I was a kid), but this seems to be a common view.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
appreciate it.
I can’t dislike MSU because I can always use you in arguments with fans of teams in other conferences. Especially if the B1G is having a down year I can always say, ‘whatever. The ACC will send 7 teams to the tournament but we’ll have the same number of teams in the Final Four. One a piece. Ours being Michigan State. Cause they’re ALWAYS in the Final Four, bitches!!’
I was also watching the game last with my Purdue alum roommate. He was giving me shit when the game was all but over and I told him, “You know who is going to win this year in the Breslin Center? NO ONE! And Definitely not Purdue. Fucking Ohio State won’t even be favored there. You’re an idiot.”
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m aware that NC already won there. I mean this B1G season. And Ohio State MIGHT be favored, but he won’t look it up so it doesn’t matter.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You got it the first time.
Both MSU’s losses were on neutral “courts.”
Courts being in quotes because… Well, aircraft carrier and all.
Ohio State will still be favored I’m guessing, though.
by The Birchman on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
ah yes
How soon I forget even the craziest crap. Must be getting old.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great game last night, guys
Lots of intensity and effort, swings and excitement. I’ll echo the sentiments of other Sparties commenting here this morning, that now that you’ve cleared the Sampson crap out, I pull hard for the Hoosiers. I went nuts when Watford killed UK with his last-second three.
As a basketball fan, I can’t wait until the rematch in late February, when both teams have had the full season to even themselves out and learn their strengths.
As an MSU fan, however, I’m scurred.
Tonight's going to be a good night.
I didn't expect to win in East Lansing.
I only hoped to win. I think the last time we won there was 91. That’s what 4 coaches ago? We’ve got to learn how to get the ball inside to Zeller for sure. I think if we can run the offense through him, we will be dangerous. Get him the ball!!! If he doesn’t score, he’ll find someone open.
by Faithfully Blue on Dec 30, 2011 9:43 AM EST reply actions
agreed
but he’s gotta do more to seal his man and not allow them to front him up. The team needs to get him the ball, but he’s also got some work to do on making himself more available against a tougher defensive back court.
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All true...
and I think he will learn, as will the team being able to play with the big man. The future looks bright at Indiana.
by Faithfully Blue on Dec 30, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions

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