Big Ten Basketball Round-up, week 4
Woo-hoo! The Big Ten just came off a weekend in which I thought might’ve cost the conference eight losses (OSU@Kansas, Kentucky@IU, UNLV@Wisconsin, MSU@Gonzaga, Iowa@Iowa State, Oakland v. Michigan, Nebraska@TCU, PSU@Duquesne), but instead posted a 5-3 record in those games and has 6 -count them- six ranked teams today! Even more worrisome going into the weekend was that the preceding week a number of clubs had barely eked out wins over what should have been gimmes (specifically Purdue, Illinois, & Nebraska), and Penn State & Iowa had already lost. Penn State and Iowa would go on to lose again, with Ohio State joining them for reasons listed below. But overall, there were a number of nice wins for the Big Ten who is beginning to pull away from the pack and become the clearly best conference in country. Standings after the jump.
I didn’t run any efficiency numbers this week as I didn’t expect too much change (for example, NU didn’t even play). So, this week I go through the teams and look at a little their losses and try to identify their best wins.
1. Ohio State (8-1)
Best W Florida, Duke
L @ Kansas
The loss at Kansas was really interesting in that Thad Matta rested his star, Jared Sullinger, rather than risk his health. Kansas’ coach Bill Self played his star, Tyshawn Taylor, who was subsequently announced to be going out of action for three for surgery. Self got the win his club desperately needed, while Matta certainly didn’t need another quality win, and the loss would have the qualifier next to it henceforward that Sullinger didn’t even play. Most people wouldn’t penalize them for this loss, and I won’t either. Frankly, Matta can probably rest Sullinger until the home game versus Northwestern two weeks from now.
2. Wisconsin (8-2)
Best W - UNLV, @BYU
L Marquette, @UNC
I would’ve dropped the Badgers if they’d been only average this week, but they beat a solid UNLV at home for their best win to date after crushing Green Bay. Their best game of the season is still probably the loss that they let get away at North Carolina, if they’d just shot a wee bit better there, they’d have a serious statement win. And one serious concern going forward is that this club seems to rely on hot outside shooting (from Ben Brust, Josh Gasser, etc.) for offense moreso than any previous Bo Ryan club I can recall. Even the team they had a couple of years ago with Trevon Hughes and Jason Bohannon still had Hughes’ posting up on a lot of plays. As it is, I’m not betting against Bo Ryan any time soon.
3. Indiana (9-0)
Best W - Kentucky, @NCSU
What else could be said about that win over Kentucky? How about this- Christian Watford played tough defense on a preseason All-American, and went into the lane in crunch time to make a solid pro move to give the Hoosiers the lead back momentarily, all before hitting the three that won the game. Onions! Certainly, relying on outside shooting and not locking up the defensive boards are concern points. Yet, I would still say that this Hoosier team is different from the past three years, in some really good ways. Now, we’ll see how they react to success when they face Notre Dame this next weekend. Given a win over UK, I would’ve previously put money on ND for the upset before they lost Tim Abromaitis for the year. Still, it should be a dangerous game - highly winnable - but dangerous.
4. Purdue (9-2)
Best W- Iona, Temple
L @Xavier, n-Alabama
The Boilers made up for an anemic home win vs. Western Carolina with a brutal pounding of Eastern Michigan. And after that amazingly display of foolishness by the Musketeers this weekend, I sure found myself wishing that Purdue had not pulled it out at Xavier. What a bunch of jackasses -who lets the players go speak to the media after a brawl like that? Anyway, that loss at Xavier did demonstrate in a perfect microcosm that Purdue with Robbie Hummel is a very dangerous team, and Purdue without Hummel is going to struggle. The Boilers have got good wins over Iona and Temple, and no bad losses - they look to be solid in conference play again.
5. Michigan State (8-2)
Best W @Gonzaga,
L n-UNC, n-Duke
Michigan State jumps back into the national consciousness as Draymond Green ends his scoring troubles dropping 34 on Gonzaga. Even better, Derrick Nix and Adriean Payne chipped in to shut down the paint against the strong Zags, in Spokane. I’m still not sold on this team’s depth or their perimeter crew (I think they went 4-for-24 from the field in the win), but if Keith Appling, et al, can just keep opposing defenses honest, the Spartans are headed to yet another Big Dance.
6. Illinois (10-0)
Best W v. Gonzaga
Yeah, sixth is pretty low for a 10-0 team. In my mind, someone had to drop, and they're it due to an anemic home win versus St.Bonaventure last week (48-43). The home win over Gonzaga was nice, but since MSU just beat them on the road, clearly that’s a better quality win. And indeed, it’s rather hard to identify the second-best win on the schedule here. I suppose it’s winning at a mediocre Maryland, but it could also be the home win over Illinois State.They’ve got good tests coming up with a game against UNLV and then a trip to red-hot Missouri. They win both of those games, and count me in as a believer for the Illini as a Big Ten contender.
7. Michigan (7-2)
Best W v. n-Memphis, Iowa State
L v. n-Duke, @Virginia
The Wolverines only have two totally reasonable losses on their record, but their early wins in Maui have diminished in value as Memphis has played its way out of the top 25 and UCLA just looks terrible now. Iowa State may well end up being their best non-conference win unless Beilien manages to squeak one out at Arkansas. They are doing an amazing job of converting twos right now, though. They gave up some points Oakland and still pulled out the win, so they haven't played themselves out of the rankings or NCAA contention.
8. Minnesota (10-1)
Best W - Virginia Tech
L v. Dayton
It’s hard to know what to make of this team now. Certainly they’ve played hard since Trevor Mbakwe went down, and Ralph Sampson and Rodney Williams appear to be stepping up as needed. Are the Gophers a team that can still contend for a NCAA spot? If everything goes right from here on out for Tubby Smith’s squad, it’s totally possible. Still, the starters have been consistently inconsistent, the depth might be competent in conference play, or it might not. I’ll say this, they’re winning without Mbakwe, even if it's just against Appalachian State & St. Peter's, and that’s not a bad thing.
9. Northwestern (7-1)
Best W- Seton Hall
L- Baylor
Certainly the Wildcats are no worse than Minnesota, but with no games since Baylor brutalized them at Welsh-Ryan, there’s no reason to move them up in the standings. I’m a big fan of John Shurna, but I still don’t like NU’s defense. And when you have big questions in the backcourt and at center, there’s reason enough for serious concern going into Big Ten play. Also, what’s their second-best win? Louisiana State, maybe, or Tulsa? I’d love for them to end the NCAA tourney-less streak, but it’s looking less and less likely.
10. Nebraska (6-3)
Best W @ TCU,
L Wake Forest, Creighton, Oregon
The Huskers have started to rebound since a really bad week. The one-point win over Florida Gulf Coast will cause worry for noone in the conference, but they did notch the bottom tier best road win for this season with a 12-point victory at Texas Christian. The only bad loss on the record is that close one against Wake Forest, but their second-best win is probably South Dakota State. Hmm.
11. Penn State (6-5)
Best W - South Florida
L @Kentucky, Lafayette, Duquesne, @St. Joe’s, Mississippi
They’ve lost three straight (Ole Miss, Lafayette, and Duquesne) and are still not at the bottom of the league? That’s how bad Iowa is - Pat Chambers’ club can at least compete in most of their losses. The second-best win for the Lions is a little hard to determine, but I would guess it was the win over Youngstown State. PSU’s combo of Tim Frazier plus a bunch of three-point lobbers will probably end up in a surprise win over somebody in the conference. I just hope it’s not IU.
12. Iowa (5-5)
Best W - Brown?
L @UNI, @Iowa St, Clemson, Campbell, Creighton
The low quality of Iowa’s wins, and the high margin of victory for their foes, really are quite concerning. I’m sure Iowa will nab some wins in the conference, but even with Melsahn Basabe starting to play a little better, the Hawkeyes just looked increasingly terrible in losses to UNI and Iowa State. Maybe if Basabe and Andrew Brommer rounds into shape, and Devyn Marble takes over the point duties, they might get enough stability to escape the cellar. Maybe.
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The B1G has a combined 24 losses
with 13 coming from the bottom feeders. 12 of the 24 losses are excusable coming against ranked teams. Seriously for as “down” as the Big Ten is this year they are certainly looking head and shoulders better than anyone else in the country to date. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them land 7-8 teams in the tournament right now.
-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.
This looks like a classic Big Ten season, which will inflame our critics. In looking at the rankings, it’s hard to believe that either Michigan or Illinois has to be #7, but someone has to be. On the other hand, OSU looks like the only legit Final Four contender. Wisconsin should be, I guess, but that never seems to work out. Maybe MSU, but only based on Izzo’s Tournament jujitsu. IU? Not this year, although I do have to note a superficial resemblance to the composition of this team to IU’s last strong tournament team (lots of good shooters and an unguardable big man). To make a long story short, it’s the sort of season in which the Big Ten could be the best league from top to bottom, get 8 bids, but send only 2 to the Sweet 16 and none to the Final Four.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Naw
The Big East will always be overblown in perception, just by mere virtue of being centered in the nation’s media capitols. The fact that Duke-UNC has captured ESPN’s thoughts actually says a lot about how good that pair has been for how long.
I’d be extremely surprised if the conference did not get at least one team to the Final Four, and I would hope that at least three teams get to the Sweet Sixteen. But I do think that’s probably the limit. I’d be more confident but those narrow victories posted by Michigan, Illinois, and Purdue this season make me really question their mettle. The conference has done enough to be considered worthy enough to earn six or seven bids thus far. But as for the final conference standings, to me it’s still three tiers- 1) Ohio State at the top, and 2) msot everyone else, and 3) then PSU & Iowa fighting for (not) last place.
And as for comparisons to 2002, I think this Hoosier team also probably needs a year of figuring out how to best maximize Zeller before they can be even considered a contender, much like that Final Four squad needed two solid years of playing with Jared Jeffries.
People think the Big 10 is "down" every year.
Even the year we had 2 of the final four teams we were “down.”
by ActionOxford on Dec 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
+1 for the Onions reference
Christian got after it on Saturday, especially on defense. If he can replicate that on a consistent basis, he can be an all conference first teamer. And that #3 spot will not look so weird.
Agree on Wisconsin, by the way. They seem overly reliant on the outside shot. If you have someone who can keep Jordan Taylor from driving — paging Victor Oladipo — and you can deny offensive boards, I think that their offense is pretty one dimensional. They may still have nights where they beat you by shooting the lights out. And they’re not likely to turn it over. But they are beatable, I think, and more so than most of the last several Bo Ryan teams.
by hoosierdaddynow on Dec 13, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions
The other impressive highlight of Christian’s was that jab-step three. What can you even do against that? If C-Wat can get after it consistently on both ends, there’s no question that Indiana is a NCAA-bid team. And since he’s gotten past the injuries, Watford has been a good go to guy, inside or outside.
And Wisconsin struggled again tonight as their guards had a rough shooting night. John Gasaway calls Wisky & Texas “barrage” teams because of their approach to maximizing the number of shots they get. They can miss more shots than you and still win because they get more offensive rebounds and turn it over much less.
by Devin S. on Dec 14, 2011 12:55 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

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