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I like Boiled Sports.  I really do.  Those guys are funny, and sometimes I laugh even when IU is the target.  BS is a magical place, a place where Helms championships are better than NCAA championships, where Mike Davis was a good young coach who failed only because IU fans are uniformly racist, where IU is Indiana's hick school.  Still, when the fantasy moves out of the past and into current events, I feel the need to comment.   Today, the BS boys make the obvious leap from the recent talent glut at Bloomington South to...well, Tom Crean is paying players, basically. 

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For those who aren't up to speed, Bloomington South, led by incoming IU freshman Jordan Hulls, Indiana's Mr. Basketball, won the 4A state championship this season.  In recent weeks, a couple of high profile transfers have enrolled at South.  One, Matt Carlino, is an IU commit from Arizona who will be a junior in high school next year.  The other, TJ Bell, is coming to South from Charleston, Illinois and just finished his freshman year of high school.  Here's BS:

Well, it turns out, Bell's Mom was recently hired away from the women's basketball powerhouse, Eastern Illinois, to be an assistant at IU.

Let's take this one step at a time.  First, suppose that IU did hire some random assistant coach from Eastern Illinois whose son happened to have been a really good player as a high school freshman.  To make the leap to "OMG IU CHEATS!!!," we would have to believe that Crean somehow convinced Felicia Leggette-Jack to tie up one of her assistant coaching positions for the next three years to allow IU a chance at signing a kid who, while very promising, is 14 years old. 

Second, the facts don't support the BS position.  First, let's consider who TJ Bell's mother is.  Her name is Quacy Timmons.  Neither her current Eastern Illinois bio nor IU's news release page provide evidence that someone named Quacy Timmons has been named an assistant at IU.  Also, as her EIU bio notes, Quacy Timmons used to be known as Quacy Barnes, who had a fine professional career after starring at IU from 1995-1998.  As former Bloomington Herald-Times reporter Rex Harter notes, Bell spent a couple of years attending elementary school in Bloomington when his mother was an assistant at IU from 2003-2005.  According to Harter's post, Bell will be living with a guardian who mentored him while he lived in Bloomington a few years ago.  That's not the most conventional arrangement, but there's also not the sort of smoke here that the ill-informed BS post implies.  I'll admit that I'm not a neutral observer, but it seems odd to me to simply presume that a program that is currently on probation would improperly coerce a 14 year-old incoming sophomore to move to Bloomington, particularly when his mother's status as an IU alum would seem to provide a nice recruiting angle in any event. 

And then there is Matt Carlino.  Carlino will be a junior at South this year.  He committed to IU several months ago, and after finishing his sophomore year of high school in Arizona, his family has moved to Bloomington.  Matt's father, Mark Carlino, has a legal practice in Arizona, so this wouldn't seem to be a case where daddy needs Tom Crean to find him a job, but the Hoosiers are involved, so obviously:

I'd be willing to bet that there are some IU alums who own businesses down there that are hiring right now, and looking for a guy just like Matt (sic) Carlino, even in these tough economic times.

Again, as far as I can tell, Mark Carlino is a successful professional, and it's fairly insulting to suggest that he needs to be handed a job.  I'm sure that if Mr. Carlino hangs out a shingle, it won't hurt that he is the father of the Bloomington South star who is headed to IU.  But to suggest that he is on the take seems a bit much.

But as I wrote this post, I thought, maybe the BS boys weren't being vengeful.  Maybe they are trying to help us.  Let's not be naive, folks.  Sometimes, boosters do make improper arrangements for prospective student athletes.  For example:

In August 1995, approximately one month before the start of classes and after the prospect had moved to the vicinity of Purdue's campus in West Lafayette, the assistant coach instructed the prospect to contact the vice-president of a local bank and a representative of the university's athletics interests. The prospect visited the representative who approved a personal loan in the amount of $4,000 with knowledge that the prospect needed the funds to satisfy the tuition debt in order to gain his eligibility at Purdue. Nevertheless, the amount of the loan exceeded the amount needed to satisfy the tuition debt. It is reasonable to conclude that the prospect was not expected to repay the loan as scheduled because the prospect's primary source of repayment (his expected Pell Grant funds) was considerably less than the loan amount and the prospect's secondary source of repayment (employment during the summer of 1996) would not be available until four months after the loan became due. When the note became due, minimal effort was made to collect the loan, even though the prospect, now a student-athlete, made no payments and did not use his Pell Grant to satisfy the debt. Despite having received no payments, the representative renewed the loan three months after the due date. The representative recommended that the loan be charged off when he left the local bank in September 1996. The terms of this loan were not generally available to other individuals, it was unsecured, the student-athlete had no credit history, he lacked any cosigner; later the loan was renewed without any modification of terms, and it was ultimately charged off after the student-athlete transferred at the conclusion of the 1995-96 academic year. Although the bank repeatedly mailed due notices to the student -athlete, it took no other measures to collect any payment. The Committee on Infractions finds that the assistant coach knew the student-athlete would not have to repay the loan if he remained enrolled at the institution. ... the assistant coach informed the prospect's mother that the prospect's outstanding tuition would be paid. The prospect's mother, who did nothave the financial means to pay the debt, relied on the assistant coach's assurance and did not make any efforts to obtain the funds.  [Source: Public Infractions Report on Major Violations by the Purdue University Basketball Program, June 30, 1999]

Maybe, having been down that road, our Purdue bretheren simply are concerned about us.  Having endured such an embarrassment (if I were BS, I might wonder if the disgruntled transfer was the only Boiler who got paid, or merely the only one who spoke up), maybe they want to spare us the same fate.  While I appreciate their concern, I think I'll take things at face value for now. 

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Nice to hear from you, John...

There’s a lot here we could address, but here’s just a start…

It’s amusing to see you accuse us of making things up and then you go right ahead and…. make things up.

Today, the BS boys make the obvious leap from the recent talent glut at Bloomington South to…well, Tom Crean is paying players, basically.

No, sir. No, we did not make any such statement. We simply point out the fact that this happened and it just kind of looks shady to us. Innuendo, speculation, etc. That’s what we specialize in. You know, because we’re always so far off-base when it comes to IU.

Oh, and yes, there was some shadyness on our campus in August 1995. And what happened 14 years ago at Purdue is relevant to 2009 IU hoops….how?

In the end, we’re indeed not being vengeful and we’re glad someone is here to explain the IU side of things. That said, all we did was point something out that looked a little sketchy…. and we stand by it.

[insert prophetic yet obnoxiously haughty and annoying quote here]

by J Money BS on Jun 18, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

If this was happening at Purdue

You would be saying the same thing as John is here if this were Purdue. This happens on almost every major programs campus, and it probably is there as well, like it is everywhere else. It isnt cheating, it is working the system which Crean learned from Izzo while he worked under him. How to make the most of recruiting by working the system, finding the loopholes… look at UConn and UNC.. same thing goes for them.

Crean is not Sampson, so you guys will no longer have easy ammunition against us in situations like this

Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I see any evidence of even “working the system.” I suppose that Carlino moving to Bloomington makes it less likely that he will change his mind and go to school elsewhere, but he either was improperly induced or he wasn’t. He’s a kid who comes from an affluent family, so the idea that he could be induced seems implausible. Why would his dad move to Bloomington for a job from an IU alum when he had a good job already? As for TJ Bell, he has family ties to IU and he spent part of his childhood in Bloomington. I doubt that women’s assistant coaches make tons of money, but TJ’s mother is a college graduate and he certainly lives far above the poverty line. I don’t mean to say that kids from middle or upper class backgrounds should be scrutinized more carefully than poor kids, but it seems that these particular kids would require some major league inducements.

And even if we presume the worst, that Crean is the love child of Dave Bliss and Jerry Tarkanian, then wouldn’t it be damn stupid for him to stockpile his bought-and-paid-for talent at Bloomington South? If he’s doing that with IU on probation, then he is the most ham-handed cheater since…well, Kelvin Sampson.

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jun 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think Crean is necessarily "working the system" in this case

But what I am saying, is that he is not a cheater, at least I wouldn’t think so. IU wouldn’t hire him if they thought he was, and his coaching career would be done if he ever got caught doing something against NCAA regulations. What I am saying, is that he does know how to work the system, because hes a good coach. So if there is something “shady” going on behind the scenes, I dont think it would be anything more then just working the system a little bit

Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 22, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, your post implies that the reason the players are coming to Bloomington is because of improper inducements, and the caption to the Crean photo suggests that Crean must be involved in it. If all that is true, then Crean is “basically” paying players, so I don’t think it’s an unfair characterization. That’s a difference of opinion. Your statement that Quacy Timmons is now employed as an IU assistant coach is either true or false, and all indications are that it is false.

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jun 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I will at least admit

It is is nice to see well thought out arguments on both sides. Cheers to everyone for not reducing this to a message board-like insult-fest of Purdon’t and “You can’t spell stupid without IU”

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by BoilerTMill on Jun 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

I have no hate on Purdue really, I come from Chicago so I didnt grow up on the argument at all really. It was more of a ND-Purdue argument around there. So its fun to hear both sides, and I always love an argument.

You cant spell stUPid without PU either. Ha.

Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 22, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luster

I moved to Muncie a few years ago from another state and love the IU/Purdue banter. It’s the best thing about college sports, but the last couple of years the rivalry has lost its luster. I hope both programs start doing well again for the entertainment value alone.

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by linc on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Luster?

Wait, IU was nationally relevant and had an all-star cast of players until Sampson detonated it… and the Boilermakers have been on the upswing and are steadily becoming media faves, plus won the Big Ten and advanced to the second weekend of the NCAAs.

Not sure how the rivalry is losing luster, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

Kick his ass, John.

[insert prophetic yet obnoxiously haughty and annoying quote here]

by J Money BS on Jun 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luster

I moved to Muncie a few years ago from another state and love the IU/Purdue banter. It’s the best thing about college sports, but the last couple of years the rivalry has lost its luster. I hope both programs start doing well again for the entertainment value alone.

Linc Builds
I survived thanks to angioplasty

by linc on Jun 23, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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