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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Nov 25, 2008 11:30 AM EST

According to the Hoosier Scoop, IU will be on probation for three years, but will receive no additional sanctions other than what IU self-imposed. It will be interesting to read the report, of course, but my guess is that the outcome will satisfy everyone who matters (the definition "everyone who matters" does not include Purdue and Illinois fans or their douchebag coaches, of course).

The Hoosier Scoop doesn't say what happened to Sampson and Senderoff. That will be interesting.

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Purdue and Illinois "douchebag coaches"?

Wow. Interesting, John. Seeing as how this all stems from IU's... sleazy coach.

by J Money on Nov 25, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions

I didn't and wouldn't have hired Sampson. He's now the former coach, and he's unequivocally a crook.

Weber and Painter seem to run clean programs, and good for them. It doesn't change the fact that they are whiny douchebags, just like their mentor. And yes, being a sleaze is worse than being a douchebag.

by John M on Nov 25, 2008 11:58 AM EST reply actions

Bitter much? I guess losing by a total of 90 points in the last 3 days could have that effect...

by Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions

Huh.
They're whiny douchebags because they thought someone needs to pay for Sampson's hire? Well, much of the college basketball world is filled with the same type.

You're clearly pissed right now, while understandable, it's unbecoming. I usually like reading what you have to say, but today's venomous entry isn't the norm. Perhaps it'd help your outlook to focus on soccer or women's hoops for the time being?

The incoming football recruiting class looks solid...there's lot of things that are positive in Bloomington...

by boilerdowd on Nov 25, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions

pardon my typo, please.

by boilerdowd on Nov 25, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions

You guys write Boiled Sports, and you are upset about a little name calling? If I commented every time you guys said something mean about a team, player, or coach you don't like, I would have to quit my job to keep up. My opinions on Weber and Painter are independent of my opinion of Sampson, who I have admitted many times is a crook whom IU shouldn't have hired. In short, I think Painter and Weber have inherited some of the woe-is-me sanctimony that I didn't like about Gene Keady. I don't expect you to agree with me about Keady, Weber, or Painter, but given your blog's blunt style, I'm sincerely surprised that you are so up in arms. I'm really not mad today. Honest.

by John M on Nov 25, 2008 12:33 PM EST reply actions

Weber I can see as a little whiny, but Painter seems like every other coach, it is part of their job to ride the refs to make sure they get some calls. Weber also makes a lot of excuses, Painter has never done so and even entered this season saying his team has accomplished none of its goals so far and would have to work hard to do so. He expects nothing to be handed to them and knows goals have to be earned. You have nothing to back your opinion of Painter other than your hatred of Purdue.

by Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions

Our blog is blunt...no doubt about it; yours typically is not. That's my point.

You come across as angry.

The NCAA is a fraud and the way they resolve issues is laughable. IU gets a slap on the wrist for jumping into bed with a known rule-breaking coach...then getting cozier with him as things got a little warm. Purdue was fined $80,000, lost schollies and forfeited a season of games because an assistant coach broke an NCAA rule.

Seems to me that my theory that the NCAA never slaughters its cash cows, but makes slashes with a big machete on programs that don't generate the revenue is alive and strong.

You can call Weber and Painter what you'd like, but they have a point.

by boilerdowd on Nov 25, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions

Painter and Weber douchebags? Oh yes, that must be because they run clean programs, are widely respected by their coaching bretheren, and frown upon a fellow conference program hiring a known cheater who then recruits committed players by blatantly breaking the rules.

How about talking intelligently instead of name calling? Is that too much to ask?

by Purdue Matt on Nov 25, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions

Painter is no whiner. In 2005-2006 when Purdue lost its 4 best players to injury and won 9 games, Painter made no excuses.

by Purdue Matt on Nov 25, 2008 2:34 PM EST reply actions

I'll stand by the intelligence of my writing. It's fine if Purdue fans or any other fans want to stop by, but I'm not going to lose sleep over what you think of the place.

I thought Painter acted like a complete baby about the Earl Calloway non-incident a couple of years ago. Not the end of the world, but enough for me to form a negative impression of him. Again, I don't expect Purdue fans to agree with me, but such is life. Purdue fans have never conceded the integrity of any IU basketball coach, not even Knight. I'm sure "the Forehead" will do something in the next few months that will work Boiler fans into a permanent, self-righteous lather.

by John M on Nov 25, 2008 2:53 PM EST reply actions

I feel like I should voice my opinion on this, if for no other reason than Weber's name has come up quite a bit. I agree that Weber whined quite a bit for the last couple seasons, mostly about what took place with the Eric Gordon situation. The last two years have been some of the worst for the Illinois basketball program. People might not realize how close Weber was to losing his job after having 2 straight recruiting classes go down the toilet. The fact that Sampson, who has had a history of recruiting violations converts/steals/convinces Gordon, the prize recruit for Weber's entire career to go to Indiana is going make a little bad blood. Its hard to keep your mouth shut when you know you've lost to a cheater. He may whine, but is it completely unjustified?

by Toki Wartooth (Joe) on Nov 25, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions

Joe Tiller is a douchebag, and that's for certain.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242008/sports/moresports/espn_not_so_su_purdue_per_140506.htm

by MarkJacksonShimmey on Nov 25, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions

Additionally, I have quite a few sources within college basketball (I know this sounds sketchy, and no you don't have to believe me) that aren't exactly the biggest Weber and Painter fans. My source isn't Kelvin Sampson, so you can get rid of that joke.

Bottom line is just because they're all lovey dovey in press conferences and other coaches say they "respect" him doesn't mean it's true. Just saying...

by MarkJacksonShimmey on Nov 25, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions

I don't blame Weber for being annoyed, although I think the Gordon situation is distinct from Sampson's rule-breaking. Still, can you imagine Coach K, or Roy Williams, or Bill Self, or Tom Izzo continuing to beat the drum for two years after losing a single one-and-done recruit? Weber walked into a program that had NCAA Champion-caliber talent on hand, yet couldn't even make the NIT in year five. The Illini's problems in 2007-08 went deeper than Eric Gordon (namely, one teammate leaving another to die after a drunk driving accident), yet Weber never wanted to address that. If one recruit is enough to cause the ruination of the Illini program and Weber's career, then he's not as good as Dee Brown and Deron Williams made him look. It was a tough break, but I think he's gone way overboard with it, to the detriment of Illinois's program.

by John M on Nov 25, 2008 4:11 PM EST reply actions

I understand that a lot of this is probably venting after getting beat in football by 52 points and basketball by 38 points in the same week. I won't hold it against you.

by Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions

Shimmey,

The only possible negative on Painter is that perhaps he is too demanding of his players, causing several to transfer in the last 3 years. He demands hard work and dedication to the utmost. This is one of the things that I like about him because it shows in his players and how they play. Players like Kramer and Hummel are great examples. Korey Spates, Nate Minnoy, Chris Lutz, and Scott Martin didn't want to do the work and tapped out.

Painter runs a clean program and does things the right way. He is one of the good guys.

by Purdue Matt on Nov 25, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions

No offense Purdue Matt, but you start your post with "The only possible negative....."

That tells me all I need to know right there. I'll say that he's not breaking rules, but let's just say there's other stuff out there that's "possible." Then again, I'm just a blog commentator, so take that for what it's worth.

by MarkJacksonShimmey on Nov 25, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions

It was way more than just Gordon that set Illinois back these past two years I agree Jamar Smith nearly sunk his coaching career as well don't get me wrong. He did let it get to him too much I agree, but the fact remains that Weber got jobbed by Sampson, then lost a recruit to Kentucky when his assistant took the job and a blue chip recruit with him. On the one hand Weber was getting criticized for not being able to get top level players while having the players he was able to get were decommiting in circumstances of questionable ethics. Dimitri McCamey, now perhaps the Illini player with the most potential, was even among one of the recruits that Sampson contacted via those famous three way calls. As awful as it sounds, I know boosters and I don't agree with it in the least, but Weber was closer to losing his job because of his lack of talent on the court than he was because of Jamar Smith. Running a clean program and possibly losing your job because you lose recruits to dirty coaches is enough to make anyone complain.

by Toki Wartooth (Joe) on Nov 25, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions

Joe, I can sympathize to an extent, but let's keep in mind that these players aren't like appliances or furniture that a coach can just "take." Gordon went to IU because he wanted to. The other kid went to Kentucky because he wanted to. There's no suggestion of improper benefits or improper contact in either case. In Gordon's case, he went to his home state university, which is probably where he would have ended up if IU's program hadn't been in disarray a year earlier. Taking an early commitment has positive and negative aspects. One negative is that circumstances can change in the 15 months until signing day. Again, I don't dispute that Sampson is a "dirty coach." I just think the Gordon episode had more to do with a high school student changing his mind than with anything else.

by John M on Nov 25, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions

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